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I still don't forgive Microsoft for being absolutely massive tools in the past. As such, they have a higher bar to jump over if they want me to acknowledge that they have created a "modern" browser. They have to make a browser that beats every other browser in it's standards compliance, stability and performance. They have to create the greatest browser that has ever been and ever will be. And only then will I even c…
I still don't forgive Microsoft for being absolutely massive tools in the past. As such, they have a higher bar to jump over if they want me to acknowledge that they have created a "modern" browser. They have to make a browser that beats every other browser in it's standards compliance, stability and performance. They have to create the greatest browser that has ever been and ever will be. And only then will I even c…
I'd be willing to put the past behind me if they Just Stopped with all of this crap.
I still don't forgive Microsoft for being absolutely massive tools in the past. As such, they have a higher bar to jump over if they want me to acknowledge that they have created a "modern" browser. They have to make a browser that beats every other browser in it's standards compliance, stability and performance. They have to create the greatest browser that has ever been and ever will be. And only then will I even c…
> I still don't forgive Microsoft for being absolutely massive tools in the past. As a person who seems to defend Microsoft quite often on HN, I can't shake the feeling that if they get to first place in anything, they'll become massive tools once again. I like seeing them as the underdog, it forces Microsoft to be kinder and more free, but I think innovation and progress would be seriously hindered (once again) if t…
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Because of the "brilliant" decision to integrate the IE engine way too deep into windows to the point of unseverability. So you get one-two IE versions per OS lifecycle. Enjoy ...
I like how this was such a big issue when Microsoft did it, but nobody cares that there is a systemwide WebKit.framework on OS X that various applications use internally. I know there are some differences, but it's pretty much the same thing.
I still don't forgive Microsoft for being absolutely massive tools in the past. As such, they have a higher bar to jump over if they want me to acknowledge that they have created a "modern" browser. They have to make a browser that beats every other browser in it's standards compliance, stability and performance. They have to create the greatest browser that has ever been and ever will be. And only then will I even c…
That was spectacular and joyful to read and I agree wholeheartedly. The sad thing is that when I was "designing for IE" as a young lad, I had no idea that's what I was doing. "The browser" was what came with the computer and that was Netscape and later IE. It took a while to wean myself off of :
if (document.all) { }
I still don't forgive Microsoft for being absolutely massive tools in the past. As such, they have a higher bar to jump over if they want me to acknowledge that they have created a "modern" browser. They have to make a browser that beats every other browser in it's standards compliance, stability and performance. They have to create the greatest browser that has ever been and ever will be. And only then will I even c…
I feel the same way about everything MS has produced/is planning on producing in the near future. IE, Windows 8, Xbox One, Microsoft Office, the list just goes on.
I still don't forgive Microsoft for being absolutely massive tools in the past. As such, they have a higher bar to jump over if they want me to acknowledge that they have created a "modern" browser. They have to make a browser that beats every other browser in it's standards compliance, stability and performance. They have to create the greatest browser that has ever been and ever will be. And only then will I even c…
> I still don't forgive Microsoft for being absolutely massive tools in the past. As a person who seems to defend Microsoft quite often on HN, I can't shake the feeling that if they get to first place in anything, they'll become massive tools once again. I like seeing them as the underdog, it forces Microsoft to be kinder and more free, but I think innovation and progress would be seriously hindered (once again) if t…
I think it's worth pointing out that these removed bits aren't evidence of past mistakes at all. They're left over from a time before the standards were defined by the W3C. At this point, and it is about time, they should rightly be removed, and the standard/common way should prevail. That doesn't mean a given feature was rooted in a mistake.
I think the biggest issue is you should only target a given browser when you have to. Once in a while you come across a bug that only presents itself in a specific browser and version. A good thing about frequent/forced updates is you have to support older browsers less and less. Unfortunately XP was locked out at IE8, and Vista at IE9... Vista won't go away for at least 4-5 more years. I think the biggest danger in the older versions of IE tied to windows is that those people don't upgrade. It's just in the past 2 years that IE6 & IE7 can safely be ignored.
I remember the IE4-6 days... back then, IE was better... Where they deserve the vitriol is when it comes to letting their browsers stagnate for close to 6 years. And finally, with IE10/11 are they even catching up. It really bugs me that they put so much attention into accelerated canvas support before they finished a lot of CSS features that are more likely to be used. Gradients for example, the old ie gradients + rounded corners is broken even IE9, not sure about IE10-11 as I've taken to using SVG gradients as they are more consistent everywhere.
It also sucks that running multiple versions of IE is pretty much impossible. ex: the scripting engine is always the newer version, so even using multiple IE's a live bug on the real version may not present itself.
I know how/why we are here, that said I still don't think that we should call decisions past that weren't thought of by anyone as mistakes at the time as such now. I remember the v4 browser days (IE4/NN4 not HTML4), it wasn't near as pleasant as now even with IE8-10.
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> I still don't forgive Microsoft for being absolutely massive tools in the past. As a person who seems to defend Microsoft quite often on HN, I can't shake the feeling that if they get to first place in anything, they'll become massive tools once again. I like seeing them as the underdog, it forces Microsoft to be kinder and more free, but I think innovation and progress would be seriously hindered (once again) if t…
What does "being massive tools" mean?
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> I still don't forgive Microsoft for being absolutely massive tools in the past. As a person who seems to defend Microsoft quite often on HN, I can't shake the feeling that if they get to first place in anything, they'll become massive tools once again. I like seeing them as the underdog, it forces Microsoft to be kinder and more free, but I think innovation and progress would be seriously hindered (once again) if t…
What does "being massive tools" mean?