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Re: Never Trust Facebook

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You are way too easy on FB for destroying your girlfriend's relationship with her parents. Clearly, FB deserves at least some of the blame. Without your consent, they made private photos public. You didn't do that. You used their privacy settings which they created to prevent this type of situation. To have FB disregard their own privacy settings is 100% on them. But, instead of blaming FB, you blame yourself. In lig…

On the contrary I think that his view is far more realist than yours. Her girlfrind gave her private picture to a third source. If you want to keep information secret you never give it away, not on internet not on the real life. Is not like facebook went to her homea amd took the pictures from her camera. I don't think that facebook did a good job here of course. But it's more that it acted like a catalizer in a situ…

I voted both you and the predecessor up because you're both right. FB deserves the blame but OP is a more of a realist in his philosophical assignation of "blame."

FB is happy to "destroy privacy" like a child unable to consider the real implications.

Re: Never Trust Facebook

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I just went and looked too and all my content going back to 2007 which a painstaking hand deleted is back(!)

I hope mark zuckerberg ends up broke doing LAMP consulting.

Re: Never Trust Facebook

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post #31

Similar, I deleted my twitter profile picture as well as account in 2008. I had a url of the profile image saved. After five years the the link works and image is still there.

Clear your cache?

I wager his cache has been cleared somewhere in the past 5 years.

Re: Never Trust Facebook

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post #80

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On the contrary I think that his view is far more realist than yours. Her girlfrind gave her private picture to a third source. If you want to keep information secret you never give it away, not on internet not on the real life. Is not like facebook went to her homea amd took the pictures from her camera. I don't think that facebook did a good job here of course. But it's more that it acted like a catalizer in a situ…

> If you want to keep information secret you never give it away, not on internet not on the real life. How do you apply that seemingly unassailable stance to something like iPhone/iCloud, where photos you take with the only camera you have on you during once-in-a-lifetime-moments are immediately and automatically uploaded to a third party for safekeeping? The solution to all of this data retention/spying stuff is not…

> How do you apply that seemingly unassailable stance to something like iPhone/iCloud, where photos you take with the only camera you have on you during once-in-a-lifetime-moments are immediately and automatically uploaded to a third party for safekeeping?

I apply it equally. The same goes for VPS, EC2, etc., and (especially given recent revelations) it's clear it should apply even to unencrypted communications over the Internet even between nodes you control.

Re: Never Trust Facebook

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What kind of friends are they, that don't notice and/or care to invite people except through Facebook? Also, birthdays? Aren't those the sorts of things you find out about once per friend and then add to your own contacts? I've never had a Facebook account, but that's not a problem I've ever experienced. Granted, I don't automatically know the birthday of every single person I meet or even get a number/email from. Bu…

I don't think there's any malicious intent. In my demographic, (almost) all events are set up through FB because your friend graph, mass-invites, and guest lists are built in. My flatmate's boyfriend is fond of throwing large house parties with hundreds of invitees, then hiring a doorman to check names off against the FB RSVP list. If you're not on it, you're not admitted. My closest friends remember me and send me i…

I've talked to a few people who were sending out their wedding invitations and were legitimately worried about accidentally missing someone on their Facebook friends list or forgetting about someone who doesn't use Facebook.

It's definitely naive to think "oh, if you're really friends with them you'll remember their name without the help of a computer." This is especially the case with larger more inclusive weddings where now-disconnected friends are invited.

Re: Never Trust Facebook

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I find rants like this quite interesting, especially when they end with lines like this: > That is why I may delete my Facebook account. And that is why you should too. "May". In spite of this pretty egregious behavior/bug, it's still a " may delete my Facebook account". That alone says something about the longevity of the business.

It says something about the immense social utility that Facebook provides.

Re: Never Trust Facebook

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post #55

Do you think facebook is going down?

Looking at the trends, I suspect Facebook will be the goat in the tech group cull that's being contemplated.[1] The reasons for thinking this are three-fold:

a) Extremely poor share performance post-IPO (which has irked a lot of heavy-weights) and demise of Zynga's revenue sources. Although ad revenue is there, there's a lot of industry research showing that $/click return is minimal at best (out of all of these models, FB appears to have the lowest, and easiest to Bot). FB ad revenue has more to do with the current glut in Corporate $cash holdings than real returns, fyi.

b) Lack of utility outside data mining / advertising (all others, even dead ducks like Yahoo! have secondary and tertiary utility, not to mention the shining lights like Google who are still willing to push the envelope). By this, I'm not referencing Social Utility, but Business Utility.

c) Their ties to NSA / current security concerns go so far beyond the base level of acceptance that it's a given they'll suffer hard blow-back. Those Bilderberg meetings weren't about unicorns and skittles and any serious business should be concerned about having their employees mined so easily (and in certain fields, more open to Social Engineering hacks directly due to this intel). Even as an American company, you'd want this be considering this; for the rest of the world, it's a major concern.

You can argue about these, but I suspect as they hit their 10 year mark, there will be a hotter, faster, hungrier and probably more honest model to replace them (i.e. "We will do X with this data - agree, and get Y benefit, or even better - we'll pay you Z for it, and not in Farmville Tokens, or even "pay Z+1 to go dark").

Anyhow, since this is free commentary, YMMV. But, realistically - the age of the "Dumb Fucks" is closing. Wild Wild West is ending, and the Buffalo ain't roaming no more. If you need that explained: a large amount of the cash generated by web 2.0 (e.g. Huffington Post sale) was created by parasitical leveraging of user's ignorance & goodwill. I suspect that's about to change with a newer generation; although, hey, Pop Idol still makes money, so perhaps not - but it will only be farming the ignorant, which is hardly "cutting edge". Face Book as the online Walmart - there's an image to take to heart as you look @ it's stock price over the next 6 months.

Full disclosure: Never had a Face Book account, because Privacy / Anonymity is the coolest thing in a connected world, nor do I hold any FB stock, nor am I shorting FB stock in any manner.

[1]FT - Real progressives believe in breaking up Google (no link, as it is pay walled). I don't agree with the opinion piece, I'm merely using it to denote a recent trend.

Re: Never Trust Facebook

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post #77

I find rants like this quite interesting, especially when they end with lines like this: > That is why I may delete my Facebook account. And that is why you should too. "May". In spite of this pretty egregious behavior/bug, it's still a " may delete my Facebook account". That alone says something about the longevity of the business.

   That alone says something about the longevity of the business.
That and the fact that the people that are leaving are the geeks of the world. Which typically have a lower friend count, lower engagement and fewer connections to the popular 'tastemakers' in society.

Facebook will start to see problems when the popular people leave and drag their social networks with them. But these people are the ones that don't care so much about privacy, security or whether Facebook deletes data now, in the future or not at all.

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