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I deleted my twitter profile picture as well as account in 2008. I had a url of the profile image saved. After five years the the link works and image is still there.
Never Trust Facebook
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Re: Never Trust Facebook
#32FB has, over the years, gradually lost my trust until I deleted my account in November 2010 after having been a member since late 2004 when FB was college-only. As a 20-something living in SF, it's a daily thing now: I don't get invited to parties, I don't know about birthdays, I don't see my friends' photos, I don't have any contact with anyone from high school or college anymore. There is a real social cost for som…
As a fellow 20-something in SF, I feel your pain. I recently made a FB account that I keep absolutely bare except for my friends to invite me to things. It still results in 'leak' that I'm not fond of, but the alternate choice is to continue to be left in the dust.
What data "leaks" that a moderately sophisticated/equipped adversary could not easily learn via other means? In 45 seconds I was able to learn your name, basic age/location, and email from this post, your hn profile and github profile. Another 45 seconds and I found your google+ and twitter accounts, with better location data, education history and employer.
Re: Never Trust Facebook
#33Perhaps FB automatically decided that the deletions were in fact unauthorized tampering with the account and nicely restored the "damage?"
Thats what I was thinking, Im going to go ahead and guess that not too many fb users go through their entire timeline and delete Every.Single.Post. Flagging something like that as hostile and then "restoring" your timeline makes sense. However, I feel like there should be some kind of communication going on in email before something is actually done (for the mass deletes and auto restoring) and a simple "click here if this is what you really wanted to do" would suffice..
Re: Never Trust Facebook
#34Perhaps the way to delete the information in the account is to replace the status posts, comments, photos with junk. Words and sentences that don't mean anything; photos that are noise. Perhaps there's a way to do that in an automated fashion. I'd use that.
Markov chains based on content about facebook privacy intrusions, perhaps ;)?
Re: Never Trust Facebook
#35FB has, over the years, gradually lost my trust until I deleted my account in November 2010 after having been a member since late 2004 when FB was college-only. As a 20-something living in SF, it's a daily thing now: I don't get invited to parties, I don't know about birthdays, I don't see my friends' photos, I don't have any contact with anyone from high school or college anymore. There is a real social cost for som…
What kind of friends are they, that don't notice and/or care to invite people except through Facebook? Also, birthdays? Aren't those the sorts of things you find out about once per friend and then add to your own contacts? I've never had a Facebook account, but that's not a problem I've ever experienced. Granted, I don't automatically know the birthday of every single person I meet or even get a number/email from. Bu…
I don't think there's any malicious intent. In my demographic, (almost) all events are set up through FB because your friend graph, mass-invites, and guest lists are built in.
My flatmate's boyfriend is fond of throwing large house parties with hundreds of invitees, then hiring a doorman to check names off against the FB RSVP list. If you're not on it, you're not admitted.
My closest friends remember me and send me invites via email, but I can't fault them for forgetting now and then.
Re: Never Trust Facebook
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a fellow 20-something in SF, I feel your pain. I recently made a FB account that I keep absolutely bare except for my friends to invite me to things. It still results in 'leak' that I'm not fond of, but the alternate choice is to continue to be left in the dust.
What data "leaks" that a moderately sophisticated/equipped adversary could not easily learn via other means? In 45 seconds I was able to learn your name, basic age/location, and email from this post, your hn profile and github profile. Another 45 seconds and I found your google+ and twitter accounts, with better location data, education history and employer.
Most people aren't moderately sophisticated/equipped adversaries. They are just people you think have no business knowing about (parts of) your life.
Re: Never Trust Facebook
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If I hadn't seen exactly the same thing with my own eyes then I would be tempted to believe you.
I said this previously in another Facebook related thread:
Facebook don't properly delete content that you choose to delete.
Photos, check-ins and posts are just archived. I've been through
and deleted everything manually on my timeline back to 2007. I noted
that certain pages still showed the "counts" of content that had long
been deleted:
- http://i.imgur.com/zdwTl.png
- http://i.imgur.com/27RFG.png
I don't think Facebook are playing fair. Delete means delete, and I want to delete it permanently.
If they archive the data instead of deleting it, then they should say 'archive' on the damn button.
I also no longer trust Facebook at all. I don't post on it, and keep the account only for OAuth testing purposes (and lurking).
If my deleted posts mysteriously appear again I plan on updating every single one to gibberish. Maybe quoting loremgibson.com or 1984.
Re: Never Trust Facebook
#38Perhaps the way to delete the information in the account is to replace the status posts, comments, photos with junk. Words and sentences that don't mean anything; photos that are noise. Perhaps there's a way to do that in an automated fashion. I'd use that.
Interesting idea!
You're making me wonder if someone intentionally violates the TOS by, for example, uploading porn if they would delete the account. Facebook does delete accounts that it considers spam so they might just delete such an account.
Re: Never Trust Facebook
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a fellow 20-something in SF, I feel your pain. I recently made a FB account that I keep absolutely bare except for my friends to invite me to things. It still results in 'leak' that I'm not fond of, but the alternate choice is to continue to be left in the dust.
What data "leaks" that a moderately sophisticated/equipped adversary could not easily learn via other means? In 45 seconds I was able to learn your name, basic age/location, and email from this post, your hn profile and github profile. Another 45 seconds and I found your google+ and twitter accounts, with better location data, education history and employer.
Its not what people can know about you, but rather how much of what they know is controlled by you. You can put out there all the info you want to make public, but if you change your mind, facebook will still keep your data.
Re: Never Trust Facebook
#40There seems to be a philosophical difference in how users versus services view ownership of data and posts like this. If you write status "foo" and someone else comments "bar," who owns what? Do you own the comment because it is subordinate to your post? If your post was just a letter, and someone wrote an essay in a comment underneath it, do you own that essay and can you delete it without permission from its creator?
No, we shouldn't trust facebook. But no, we also shouldn't pretend that the word delete means the same thing on your personal computer as it does on a shared resource like facebook. It's way more complicated than that. It should be simple, but it isn't, at least not yet.
Also, not upvoting this because of the eye-rollingly overdone "merriam-webster defines..." line. God, I can't stand that!