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Re: Never Trust Facebook

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Post by PavlovsCat »

speeder wrote: post #65

I just remembered a very interesting tale. There is a social networks for some stuff that you don't want known (for example, sexual fetishes, or gay stuff, or anti-government stuff, and so on). I know a case where someone (that was never found out who, although there are some suspects) in one of those social networks started to attack some other people there. Until things started to get out of hand, with the person f…

"To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem." ― Douglas Adams

Re: Never Trust Facebook

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Post by greenyoda »

mdasen wrote: post #63
lukejduncan wrote: post #23

Facebook has value, but no matter what your privacy settings are set to, no matter what you delete, always assume that anything you write or do on Facebook - in any context - will be embarrassingly public. 1) Because it will and 2) because it just makes life easier. When my wife and I were first dating, for religious and cultural reasons her parents didn't know. Her parents are conservative Muslims and mine conservat…

This is the pragmatic view to take as a user. However, I don't think it's how we want sites to operate. Facebook's ToS state: For content that is covered by intellectual property rights, like photos and videos (IP content), you specifically give us the following permission, subject to your privacy and application settings: you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to…

"This IP License ends when you delete your IP content or your account unless your content has been shared with others, and they have not deleted it."

It would be interesting to try to send Facebook a DMCA take-down notice if they undelete your content.

Re: Never Trust Facebook

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Post by codezero »

grandalf wrote: post #75

I think this is far more likely due to incompetence on the part of Facebook than malice.

Yep. My guess is that when you deactivate, FB marks your posts as deleted to remove them from view, then when you reactivate, it unmarks them, but doesn't make a distinction between whether the user manually deleted them, or whether it was automatically done as part of the deactivation process.

Re: Never Trust Facebook

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Post by capkutay »

Personal story, but nevertheless humiliating and tied to facebook. I was never able to get an explanation or even contact FB's support about it.

Within a matter of hours, I lost over 150 facebook friends. Somehow, it was also tied into instagram and I unfollowed all my friends. Not sure how this happened. But you could imagine that it's embarrassing to have to re-friend people on facebook and explain that you didn't do it on purpose. I'm sure there are some people I forgot to refriend who think that I just de-friended them for personal reasons. This just ties into the fact that whatever happens to you on facebook will be broadcast to your entire social network.

Re: Never Trust Facebook

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Post by jarek »

devindotcom wrote: post #40

There seems to be a philosophical difference in how users versus services view ownership of data and posts like this. If you write status "foo" and someone else comments "bar," who owns what? Do you own the comment because it is subordinate to your post? If your post was just a letter, and someone wrote an essay in a comment underneath it, do you own that essay and can you delete it without permission from its creato…

When you send someone a letter, you might have a copy and they will have a copy, but the post shouldn't. If you burn your copy, you don't expect the post to send you a backup.

Re: Never Trust Facebook

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Post by codezero »

rshm wrote: post #31

Similar, I deleted my twitter profile picture as well as account in 2008. I had a url of the profile image saved. After five years the the link works and image is still there.

This usually happens because the image is stored on a third party CDN, and their delete process probably just touches their local data. Of course they can delete stuff off the CDN, but I can see why this might have been missed. If you contact Twitter support, they can probably fix this.

Re: Never Trust Facebook

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Post by AJ007 »

novum wrote: post #7

FB has, over the years, gradually lost my trust until I deleted my account in November 2010 after having been a member since late 2004 when FB was college-only. As a 20-something living in SF, it's a daily thing now: I don't get invited to parties, I don't know about birthdays, I don't see my friends' photos, I don't have any contact with anyone from high school or college anymore. There is a real social cost for som…

This is how I've dealt with FB's negligent, frequent, and non consensual behavior:

1) No one can post on my wall

2) No one can tag me in pictures, post or places.

3) My profile picture excludes my face.

4) I post little to nothing.

5) I only friend a narrow group of people. Being an offline friend of mine for years is not enough.

6) People who make weird comments are unfriended quickly.

7) The list goes on, but it can be summarized as do as little on FB as possible.

My best friends, most of my girlfriends, my family -- I am not friends with on FB!

You can have a FB account and maintain some basic degree of privacy. It probably is not the way Mark Zuckerberg intends it. The more he does to interfere with my usage patterns, the less I use FB (and I hold him ultimately responsible for the UX.) I expect to continue to lose control over my account in the future. The more this occurs, the less I'll use it.

Strangely, over the past year I have begun to really enjoy and understand using Twitter.

Re: Never Trust Facebook

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Post by Karunamon »

cliveowen wrote: post #43

One thing that has always bothered me it's that if you ever decide to post a comment on a site that uses the Facebook commenting system and you decide not to publish that comment on your timeline, then you have no way of recovering it (and thus deleting it, if you ever decide so). You have to resort to search engines that behave poorly for this kind of things. I admit that after some mishaps Facebook has greatly impr…

>everyone has the right to be forgotten should he decide so

This is going to sound like a devil's advocate post, but it isn't. I don't believe that such a right exists.

Why? Because removing all your input from a given medium (a social network, a forum, what have you) destroys context and therefore useful information for other people. Imagine someone who frequented a web forum (say.. Hacker News?) for a number of years, building up a large body of content, helpful posts, etc.

They then, for whatever reason, invoke the EU's "right to be forgotten" (pretending that HN is headquartered in the EU), getting all their posts deleted.

Those posts gone, every single conversation that user was in is now SIGNIFICANTLY harder to follow. What are those thousands of replies in relation to? Who knows? Those conversations are permanently lost to the sands of time.

Putting something out in public should not place any binds on the people who display that information. I believe everyone else's right to learn supersedes the individual's supposed "right to be forgotten".

It's easy enough to fix - don't comment in public if you don't want someone else having those words later.

That said, this isn't to condone Facebook's behavior of "soft-deleting" things that they say are gone. This is downright fraudulent, IMHO.

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