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Re: 4chan now offers self-serve advertising starting at $20

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Post by zalzane »

beaumartinez wrote: post #22
mtct wrote: post #8

>or just for fun/to get a message in front of the 4chan community ("MODS=FAGS", promoting a board or thread/contest, etc) I'll buy one for sure

Or, absolute trolling. Especially since you can target specific boards. I remember when someone spammed the ending to LA Noire on /v/ for a whole day.

What would really make me wet my pants would be full page takeover-ads.

I'd pay serious money to do a full page targeted troll-ad on any number of boards.

I can't even imagine the scale of the butthurt that would ensue if someone bought a full page ad for something like my little pony figures and targeted one of the more masochistic boards like /v/.

Re: 4chan now offers self-serve advertising starting at $20

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

jlgreco wrote: post #66
eli_gottlieb wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, actually. I don't go to /b/. I can't even follow /b/; I try to keep track of a single thread or meme and it completely gets away from me. But as I said, there are some boards filled with blatant neo-Nazis, some filled with some of the world's more disgusting pornography, blah blah blah. Now, if you want to call it "the last bastion of freedom [to spread hate ideologies, post loli hentai, etc]", go ahead. However,…

At various times in history the ACLU has defended the KKK. I see no problem with defending freedom of horrible people. Both from an ethical standpoint, and from a pragmatic standpoint (I would rather those people communicate in a way that has some visibility/oversight. You are not going to stop them, only push them underground; I think most would agree that would be a bad thing.)

At various times in history the ACLU has defended the KKK.

Yes, and? If you actually believe in free speech, calling someone a Horrible Person is not a disguised argument for shutting them down.

4chan is full of really horrible people. Sometimes I am one of them. This doesn't mean they should be shut down by the government or something. However, it also doesn't mean they're Glorious Heroes Fighting For Righteousness.

Re: 4chan now offers self-serve advertising starting at $20

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Post by lquist »

zalzane wrote: post #61
lquist wrote: post #40

Can someone explain what makes these different from "normal" ads?

Before it was pretty difficult to get any kind of advertising on 4chan. I was looking to advertise a product there a few years or so ago, and you pretty much couldn't get ahold of the admin through the advertisement email address.

And people wonder why it was hard for 4chan to break even? (I'm not being sarcastic)

Re: 4chan now offers self-serve advertising starting at $20

#74

Post by jmduke »

jquery wrote: post #65
eli_gottlieb wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Complete bullshit. Reddit's /r/news, /r/politics, and /r/worldnews (which are default subreddits focused on politics) are regularly raided by Stormfront . Just this week the Reddit administrators finally got it into their heads to ban /r/niggers, which had functioned as "Stormfront on Reddit". This won't accomplish much, since subreddits like /r/WhiteRights or /r/newright remain alive and serve much the same purpose.…

I didn't bring up Reddit, but as long as we're talking about it... with all its mainstream celebrity AMAs and VC money, it's been doing a lot of "house cleaning" and is hardly a free speech zone anymore. The whole point of free speech is that unpopular groups aren't shut down for having unpopular opinions. What you call "raids" I call links. Hacker News "raids" blogs everyday. Nothing malicious about it. If you're ta…

The now-banned subreddit had an external forum (the name of the subreddit with a prepended 'r', if memory serves) which they used to coordinate raids with obvious malicious intent.

The whole point of free speech is that unpopular groups aren't shut down for having unpopular opinions.

Reddit's administration has made a point of this as much as they possible. But when you break the rules, you break the rules.

Re: 4chan now offers self-serve advertising starting at $20

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

jlgreco wrote: post #67
eli_gottlieb wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I spent the rest of the post describing the things I have actual moral concerns about.

My objection applies to all of the things that you mentioned, particularly IRC and "raiding". In fact almost all "raiding" that is associated with 4chan is actually planed/organized/orchestrated on IRC.

And? I would certainly say much of IRC is a "bad neighborhood" ethics-wise. It's half the fun of the internet that we can hang out in the worst neighborhoods of all, the very dens of crime and iniquity and blah blah blah, and yet stand no risk whatsoever of actually being mugged.

Re: 4chan now offers self-serve advertising starting at $20

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Post by sur »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #57
jquery wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> /pol/ is a hive of neo-Nazi scum When you censor the rest of the internet, the "scum" (aka people with non-PC opinions) will concentrate where they can talk without fear of censorship. You can be a "political-normal" on /pol/ but you won't have the politically-correct wind at your back like you do in so many other places. Massive props to Moot for keeping 4chan alive as a bastion of free speech.

Complete bullshit. Reddit's /r/news, /r/politics, and /r/worldnews (which are default subreddits focused on politics) are regularly raided by Stormfront . Just this week the Reddit administrators finally got it into their heads to ban /r/niggers, which had functioned as "Stormfront on Reddit". This won't accomplish much, since subreddits like /r/WhiteRights or /r/newright remain alive and serve much the same purpose.…

Supposedly, the Reddit admins banned it also because of threats of violence.

http://i.imgur.com/o7CrW3y.jpg

Re: 4chan now offers self-serve advertising starting at $20

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Post by ig1 »

aggronn wrote: post #46
ig1 wrote: post #19

The obvious solution for 4chan would seem to be retargeting because no-one wants to expose themselves to the 4chan audience, but retargeting would mean only targeting those members of 4chan who would be seeing their adverts elsewhere anyway. It'd also mean that all 4chan users would get different adverts so there would be no momentum around a particular advert in the community.

this remains problematic because the reason they have trouble attracting advertisers is that the brands don't want to be associated with 4chan. So retargeting would be okay, until some submits a screenshot to the Consumerist showing a BMW ad 40 px away from a picture of a decapitated cat. Doesn't matter that the person who submitted it had just googled 'San Francisco BMW dealership'

If consumerist would publish an article on such a thing because someone on 4chan sent them a screenshot then 4chan is going to take them for a ride in any case...

Re: 4chan now offers self-serve advertising starting at $20

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Post by jquery »

jmduke wrote: post #74
jquery wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't bring up Reddit, but as long as we're talking about it... with all its mainstream celebrity AMAs and VC money, it's been doing a lot of "house cleaning" and is hardly a free speech zone anymore. The whole point of free speech is that unpopular groups aren't shut down for having unpopular opinions. What you call "raids" I call links. Hacker News "raids" blogs everyday. Nothing malicious about it. If you're ta…

The now-banned subreddit had an external forum (the name of the subreddit with a prepended 'r', if memory serves) which they used to coordinate raids with obvious malicious intent. The whole point of free speech is that unpopular groups aren't shut down for having unpopular opinions. Reddit's administration has made a point of this as much as they possible. But when you break the rules, you break the rules.

> they used to coordinate raids with obvious malicious intent.

Kind of like /r/shitredditsays (a forum exclusively for raiding other subreddits), which has the blessing of the reddit admins because it's PC...

> Reddit's administration has made a point of this as much as they possible.

Then why is this in the Reddit ToS?

You agree not to use any obscene, indecent, or offensive language or to provide to or post on or through the Website any graphics, text, photographs, images, video, audio or other material that is defamatory, abusive, bullying, harassing, racist, hateful, or violent. You agree to refrain from ethnic slurs, religious intolerance, homophobia, and personal attacks when using the Website.

Reddit is many things, but a free speech zone it is not.

Re: 4chan now offers self-serve advertising starting at $20

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Post by indlebe »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #72
jlgreco wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At various times in history the ACLU has defended the KKK. I see no problem with defending freedom of horrible people. Both from an ethical standpoint, and from a pragmatic standpoint (I would rather those people communicate in a way that has some visibility/oversight. You are not going to stop them, only push them underground; I think most would agree that would be a bad thing.)

At various times in history the ACLU has defended the KKK. Yes, and? If you actually believe in free speech , calling someone a Horrible Person is not a disguised argument for shutting them down. 4chan is full of really horrible people. Sometimes I am one of them. This doesn't mean they should be shut down by the government or something. However, it also doesn't mean they're Glorious Heroes Fighting For Righteousness…

I think that less people would have problems with your comment if you stated that you were an oldfriend right off the bat.

Re: 4chan now offers self-serve advertising starting at $20

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Post by jlgreco »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #72
jlgreco wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At various times in history the ACLU has defended the KKK. I see no problem with defending freedom of horrible people. Both from an ethical standpoint, and from a pragmatic standpoint (I would rather those people communicate in a way that has some visibility/oversight. You are not going to stop them, only push them underground; I think most would agree that would be a bad thing.)

At various times in history the ACLU has defended the KKK. Yes, and? If you actually believe in free speech , calling someone a Horrible Person is not a disguised argument for shutting them down. 4chan is full of really horrible people. Sometimes I am one of them. This doesn't mean they should be shut down by the government or something. However, it also doesn't mean they're Glorious Heroes Fighting For Righteousness…

> However, it also doesn't mean they're Glorious Heroes Fighting For Righteousness.

Who is arguing that?

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