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Stop Penalizing Boys for Not Being Able to Sit Still at School

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Re: Stop Penalizing Boys for Not Being Able to Sit Still at School

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At least one of my three boys would have an incredibly hard time with this. He's definitely "aspie" in a lot of respects. The decision to home educate our 4 children is hands down the best decision we've ever made. Highly recommend it, if you are able to pull it off logistically. Very rewarding experience so far.

Any tips on getting started? It sounds interesting but I wouldn't know where to start.

Google homeschooling resources, and begin talking to the homeschooling groups in your local area. Homeschooling has a network of families that support each other generally. It's the easiest and best way to get started. Plus, you'll get a lot of guidance on what resources are good and which are a waste of time.

Re: Stop Penalizing Boys for Not Being Able to Sit Still at School

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i remember i always got shitty 'citizenship' grades because i wanted to talk to my classmates all the time. talking - what a terrible thing for a child to do.

Talking to your classmates "all the time" has very clear potential to be highly disruptive to the teacher and other students' ability to learn. Significantly different from just fidgeting.

But yet it may have been what he needed at that stage in his cognitive and social development.

It's only disruptive to a disciplinarian, industrial age approach to education.

Re: Stop Penalizing Boys for Not Being Able to Sit Still at School

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School is half education and half babysitting. The problem is that schools aren't aware of that, and they try to cram too much learning/work into a day at school. Kids just don't have the attention span. College isn't taught this way. Colleges realize that even young adults can't handle 40 hours a week of continual instruction, why do we do this kids can?

I think the reason, is that we're always behind other countries trying to "catch up"--50 years ago it was the Soviets, 20 years ago the Japanese, now it's the "global workforce".

In our frantic rush to compete with everyone else we end up forcing an overambitious curriculum on kids. How much time can kids really spend learning everyday? A few hours at the most?

I have a friend who teaches 1st grade, she knows kids at that age can't spend time on focused learning for more than 20 or 30 minutes, but the school districts forces here to teach in 1 to 2 hour blocks and spend almost 6 hours out of the day instructing

(they get 15 minutes, no more, of recess; 30 minutes lunch, many times in silence because the lunchroom gets too loud; and on some days 45 minutes of focused PE).

What 6 or 7 year old can possibly sit still and study for 5 or 6 hours each day?

Re: Stop Penalizing Boys for Not Being Able to Sit Still at School

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Although I was a generally calm student (I am introverted and not into causing mayhem or attracting attention), I never copied from the blackboard, don't did my homework, slept during classes, or instead kept drawing, or later writing ASM code or toying with physics formulas, or I just outright spent my time chatting about video games with whoever was nearby.

Every time I had a new teacher, my parents were called into the school, and warned that I had some sort of problem (and my parents went into full denial hell not of course my child is not crazy... later I found out I DO probably have Aspergers, seemly inherited from the father of my mother), my parents reply were: "Alright, wait until the tests, and if he fails, THEN you can call us."

Unfortunately to those teachers, and me, I did not failed... Meaning I had to endure them, and they had to endure me. Specially because I completely ignored their lessons, and in the time of the tests I answered correctly but in my own way, this was specially bad related to hard sciences because I would use formulas I invented on the spot, and I wrote in totally random patterns, forcing teachers to spend LOOOOOONG time to figure what I did, also my calligraphy is horrible, thus all my teachers hated reading my tests, yet they could not just zero them, because I always passed, so if they did that, they knew I would send the test to their superior and would get them punished.

So yes, I can totally relate to the article.

Also I STILL don't sit still, right now as I type I am vibrating one of my legs. (I guess this is a way to keep energy burning considering I stay sitting the entire day).

Re: Stop Penalizing Boys for Not Being Able to Sit Still at School

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One of the guiding objectives of the current cohort of education thought leaders is to focus on girls. So, we're focusing on girls. Boys, time for your pills. My personal goal is to figure out how to make enough money to keep my children out of the insanity of public schools.

My personal goal is to figure out how to make enough money to keep my children out of the insanity of public schools.

It doesn't necessarily take a lot of money to homeschool children. (Been there, still doing that.) It does take agreement among the parents about what lifestyle adjustments each parent is willing to make so that children have flexibility in their learning. My oldest son, now a programmer working for a startup, sent me a very touching email for Father's Day in which he attributed some of his success so far in the business world to having been homeschooled rather than being put in public school. "That has made it very easy for me to step into a leadership position and feel very comfortable in positions of responsibility" is part of what he wrote.

Finding truly excellent third-party educational materials and programs can be inexpensive

http://www.singaporemath.com/Primary_Math_s/21.htm

or expensive,

http://ohs.stanford.edu/

depending on what your selection criteria are for "excellent" programs, and what your child's specific needs are, but some of the expensive third-party programs have significant financial aid that reaches up into the middle class, and some of the commercial materials and programs are available in a thriving used-materials or group-purchase market for homeschooling families. So shop around, and see what fits your family's needs.

There is a lot of information about how to get started in homeschooling

http://learninfreedom.org/sidlifgetstarted.html

on the World Wide Web, and my goal for next few years is to update my personal website (the link here) with more been-there, done-thats as I launch my younger three children into adulthood to joint their older brother in the big world.

Re: Stop Penalizing Boys for Not Being Able to Sit Still at School

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School is half education and half babysitting. The problem is that schools aren't aware of that, and they try to cram too much learning/work into a day at school. Kids just don't have the attention span. College isn't taught this way. Colleges realize that even young adults can't handle 40 hours a week of continual instruction, why do we do this kids can? I think the reason, is that we're always behind other countrie…

Historically many, many children have sat still at school and behaved themselves.

That doesn't mean that others should be stigmatized, but it's not like this is impossible and unprecedented.

Re: Stop Penalizing Boys for Not Being Able to Sit Still at School

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My son's classroom has employed smaller versions of exercise balls to keep some of the kids focused (including my own). It's interesting to observe. The kids are fidgety and restless while sitting, but when you sit them on one of these the subconscious motor control going on seems to quell the foreground restlessness.

Maybe it's a metabolism thing? If they're used to burning calories a a certain rate, homeostasis will cause their bodies to seek to maintain that rate. Fidgeting burns a lot of calories. Maybe tensing up core muscles for balance fills that need?

I seem to recall studies in controlled environments where people were not allowed to exercise, and there was a significant difference in calorie burn attributable to small movements. So the homeostasis argument seems totally plausible to me.

Re: Stop Penalizing Boys for Not Being Able to Sit Still at School

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post #3

Yeah , stop trying to teach kids discipline, especially when there is none at home ...

Sitting still is not a virtue. It literally accomplishes nothing. It's a secondary detail - whether or not the kid is sitting still does not tell you whether they're actually paying attention to the lecture and whether they're going to remember it.

You're taking a narrow perspective. Fidgeting is distracting, to everyone else. Whatever your ideals of a perfect world may be, 20 dump trucks of kids needs to be educated at one facility every day. Whatever you may think one kid is doing to help him focus, that kid is disrupting the focus of his 8 neighbors. Something needs to change, but it's more than just perspectives.

Re: Stop Penalizing Boys for Not Being Able to Sit Still at School

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post #3

Yeah , stop trying to teach kids discipline, especially when there is none at home ...

Sitting still is not a virtue. It literally accomplishes nothing. It's a secondary detail - whether or not the kid is sitting still does not tell you whether they're actually paying attention to the lecture and whether they're going to remember it.

Being able to listen attentively is a valuable skill upon which other skills can be built.

Being able to not disrupt a class or meeting is a valuable skill upon which other skills can be built.

Thumb-twiddling doesn't matter, but listening and not being pointlessly disruptive DOES matter and learning skills like this is part of growing up.

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