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Re: Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections in Germany

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Post by tomjen3 »

NonEUCitizen wrote: post #96
mtgx wrote: post #57

This would be a good opportunity for Germany/EU to give Snowden asylum, if only to show US that they screwed up so much, it's EU itself, their ally, who will give him asylum.

During Kim Dotcom coverage, some news articles mentioned that Germany does not extradite German citizens. Any chance the Bundestag can grant Snowden German citizenship?

I Denmark anybody can be granted citizenship, as long as it is passed as an act of parliament. Application isn't technically necessary.

That said, we do extradite citizens, so don't come here.

Re: Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections in Germany

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Post by powertower »

arethuza wrote: post #88
muuh-gnu wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering the massive immigration of Muslims and their continuing radicalization instead of assimilation, the whole of western Europe including Germany is going to turn into an "enemy" 20-30 years down the road. Europe is an US ally today not because of the geography, but because of the Europeans. But the Europeans have mostly given up making babies and will in 1-2 generations be mostly replaced by more fertile Mus…

You seem to think that if someone isn't "White British" then they are automatically a Muslim extremist. The ethnic breakdown of London is far more complex than that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_London At the moment, about 8.5% of London's population is Muslim: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_London Also worth noting is that across the UK the Muslims only make up 2.7% of the population: http://e…

> I'm completely mystified how anyone could see this tiny minority as a threat...

Paul Weston - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG77qpLi4oc

There are a lot of people in the UK (near or in the parts that are "diverse", or "multicultural") that will disagree with you about the disproportionate amount of crime (murder, rape, mugging, etc) and destruction that is committed by the non-"White British", and the effects this has on the stability and prosperity of the country (and more than likely so will basic crime statistics).

Just a few months ago there was a couple of non-"White British" guys trying to cut off a guy's head with a knife, hands covered in blood, while proclaiming something about their religion, god, and kin, on camera and in front of witnesses.

> Also worth noting is that across the UK the Muslims only make up 2.7% of the population

Yes. The fastest growing demographic in the country that will blow up in just a decade or two...

It's not the 2 year olds you have to worry about, nor the 80 year olds, it's the 16-2x age group.

Re: Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections in Germany

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Post by tomjen3 »

ExpiredLink wrote: post #28
mathieuh wrote: post #8

Yes it's terrible, but I'm amazed that people are surprised at all this NSA stuff. Look at America's history, it's been a global hegemon since the 1940s. I don't think they're likely to stop any time soon.

> I'm amazed that people are surprised at all this NSA stuff Me too. People who could put two and two together knew what Snowden 'leaked' to the mass media.

Most people cannot put two and two together.

Re: Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections in Germany

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Post by mpyne »

3825 wrote: post #71
weinzierl wrote: post #7

"A confidential classification shows that the NSA considered the Federal Republic does as a partner, but also as an attack target. Thus, Germany is one of the so-called third-class partners. Specifically excluded from espionage attacks are Canada, Australia, Britain and New Zealand, which are performed as a second category. "We can attack the signals of most foreign partner third class - and to do so," it said in a p…

I find it interesting that the set of five countries: UK, US, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. I'd like to know how the US came up with this list. Is it because we speak the same language? Is it because we share the same heritage? Where does this leave France? What did France do to us that we need to spy on them? To gain some perspective here, imagine this scenario where Germany was in the US' position and it make…

> I find it interesting that the set of five countries: UK, US, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. I'd like to know how the US came up with this list. Is it because we speak the same language?

These are the "Five Eyes" countries and have been closely linked for national intelligence since World War II. The U.S. will monitor literally everyone else that it can, and has done so since WWII proved how useful national security intelligence is for toward national security.

For years you've been able to Google "In God We Trust; All Others We Monitor" and find various intelligence community posters, unit patches, etc.

The leak to SPON helps confirm that with numbers. But Germany's leaders have undoubtedly known it was going on, just as France's, Russia's, etc.

Re: Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections in Germany

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Post by kriro »

yk wrote: post #121
aluhut wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't get the media attention (if they are doing something at all). My biggest fear is that the Liberals (FDP) gain votes through this...

Perhaps one should translate to American: The Greens are the liberals in German politics, the FDP is the free market party, which results in a mix of libertarian and crony capitalist politics. (Similar to the pro business wing of the republicans.)

I would not call the FDP a free market party. Crony/lobby capitalsim yes, free markets...no

Re: Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections in Germany

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Post by froh42 »

I am so pissed about this. Born in 1969 I've been growing up in a Germany where we viewed the U.S. of America as a friend. An example in freedom and democracy where we have had failings of our own.

Now it turns out our friend betrayed us. It views us as the enemy. Everything imagined as a paranoid bad joke is true.

But the worst of all: In the USA there is no outcry. The people don't even care about this. Thus: We are not seen as friends.

Greatly done, USA. From now on you are alone. Fuck yourself.

Re: Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections in Germany

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Post by Zirro »

aw3c2 wrote: post #120
cabalamat wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Germans are pissed (We take privacy serious [1]). They're expecting the EU and chancellor Merkel to do something or she's going to have a really tough time being re-elected in the fall. How is this affecting the Pirates' poll ratings? If they hold the balance of power in the Bundestag, it's likely the next German government would have to do something.

The Pirate party in Germany has become such a sad display of juvenile trolling, aggressive genderism and political incompetence that I doubt their numbers will increase.

I can't say I know very much about the German Pirate Party, but how did "aggressive genderism" end up becoming associated with them? Are they trying to focus on questions outside Internet-related ones and made a blunder?

Re: Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections in Germany

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Post by arethuza »

powertower wrote: post #132
arethuza wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to think that if someone isn't "White British" then they are automatically a Muslim extremist. The ethnic breakdown of London is far more complex than that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_London At the moment, about 8.5% of London's population is Muslim: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_London Also worth noting is that across the UK the Muslims only make up 2.7% of the population: http://e…

> I'm completely mystified how anyone could see this tiny minority as a threat... Paul Weston - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG77qpLi4oc There are a lot of people in the UK (near or in the parts that are "diverse", or "multicultural") that will disagree with you about the disproportionate amount of crime (murder, rape, mugging, etc) and destruction that is committed by the non-"White British", and the effects this…

Extrapolating the behaviour of two nutters is a dangerous thing to do - every comment I heard from those who represent the Muslim community in the UK sounded as horrified as everyone else by what those guys did:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/26/muslim-community-re...

Re: Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections in Germany

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Post by dsl »

Zirro wrote: post #137
aw3c2 wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Pirate party in Germany has become such a sad display of juvenile trolling, aggressive genderism and political incompetence that I doubt their numbers will increase.

I can't say I know very much about the German Pirate Party, but how did "aggressive genderism" end up becoming associated with them? Are they trying to focus on questions outside Internet-related ones and made a blunder?

The same problems as every other group of (essentially) anarchists that try to organize.

It might as well be called the 4chan party.

Re: Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections in Germany

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Post by dsl »

kriro wrote: post #135
yk wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps one should translate to American: The Greens are the liberals in German politics, the FDP is the free market party, which results in a mix of libertarian and crony capitalist politics. (Similar to the pro business wing of the republicans.)

I would not call the FDP a free market party. Crony/lobby capitalsim yes, free markets...no

"Free markets" is the American term for businesses can do what they want, the middle and lower classes foot the bill.
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