Interesting that Germany seems to be the only place where there is real outrage over the situation. Go Germany.
Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections in Germany
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#42War on terror my a∗∗ It's a "spy-on-everyone including our own citizens under whatever excuse we can get away with".
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Angriffsziel" in general is not synonymous with "military target". I'd translate it simply as "target".
That would be wrong. Target is simply Ziel. Angriffsziel is attack target which has a military connotation. The translation is sound in that regard, though the real headline indeed is only "secret documents: NSA monitors 500 million connections in germany".
Eavesdropping or even "hacking" attacks don't have to be military in nature.
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#44Interesting that Germany seems to be the only place where there is real outrage over the situation. Go Germany.
Germans still have a recent experience of a surveillance+police state
Re: Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections in Germany
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Angriffsziel" in general is not synonymous with "military target". I'd translate it simply as "target".
That would be wrong. Target is simply Ziel. Angriffsziel is attack target which has a military connotation. The translation is sound in that regard, though the real headline indeed is only "secret documents: NSA monitors 500 million connections in germany".
Ziel is literally a target, but in truth it translates as "destination". "Angriffsziel" could be translated as "target" in this sense, so Stephan is not wrong - but perhaps soft-pedaling a little. Where you're right is that "Angriff" ("attack") makes "Angriffsziel" sufficiently explicit in its connotation of a military target. I'd consider "target of attack" in that "Angriff" doesn't necessarily connote a military attack, but could also imply, say, a hacking attack.
Maybe "country of interest"?
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
That would be wrong. Target is simply Ziel. Angriffsziel is attack target which has a military connotation. The translation is sound in that regard, though the real headline indeed is only "secret documents: NSA monitors 500 million connections in germany".
Eavesdropping or even "hacking" attacks don't have to be military in nature.
That is correct. But in case of the US Internet War, it is. Hacking done by the NSA on a foreign country is not not military in nature.
Re: Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections in Germany
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
That would be wrong. Target is simply Ziel. Angriffsziel is attack target which has a military connotation. The translation is sound in that regard, though the real headline indeed is only "secret documents: NSA monitors 500 million connections in germany".
Ziel is literally a target, but in truth it translates as "destination". "Angriffsziel" could be translated as "target" in this sense, so Stephan is not wrong - but perhaps soft-pedaling a little. Where you're right is that "Angriff" ("attack") makes "Angriffsziel" sufficiently explicit in its connotation of a military target. I'd consider "target of attack" in that "Angriff" doesn't necessarily connote a military at…
Ziel is both, it can mean target and destination. In that case, it is more of a target (attack destination? na, the NSA is not currently in an airplane flying into battle).
> Maybe "country of interest"?
Yeah maybe, but that sounds a bit harmless, doesn't it?
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#48Little update at:
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/steinbrueck-forder...
Politicians of all major parties are pressuring chancellor Merkel to react. One party is proposing to question the American ambassador.
Re: Secret Documents: NSA monitored 500 million connections in Germany
#49Don't forget that the 9/11 attacks were planned out of Hamburg and that some of the WTC bombers of 1993 were living and captured in Germany.
Some of them were living in New York as well. The 9/11 attackers trained in the United States, but as Saudi nationals they were protected by the Bush Administration.
While the Germans used regular police work to find their own terrorists, we decided to spend more money attacking an unrelated nation than the United States had ever spent on a war before.
So who do you trust more in finding and stopping terrorists? I'll take Germany and competence over America's war profiteering on flimsy pretext any day, thanks.
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#50Seriously, what has Germany done to harm America after the war?
They're making money that could be made by Americans?