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Re: Opt Out of Klout Now

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Post by zltn »

MDCore wrote: post #17
zltn wrote: post #10

As a founder of a company in that same space I would like to add some nuance to this blog. Putting it as simple as scoring people and helping you sell back the data so you can improve your score is to simple. Scoring, ranking and sorting people is important for the future of the web. It's comparable to Google's pagerank. You need some sort of analyses/score/rank to value the content shared by someone. But with pagera…

Google provides a service: finding content on the internet. We want pagerank because it (presumably) returns quality answers to our questions. Klout and companies like it (and presumably yours) don't add any value. I can already find people just fine through Twitter or Facebook search. Klout scrapes my data, applies some formula and then tells everyone it means something and tries to convince people I don't know that…

It's perhaps not providing a service directly to you but it is for loads of other people. And don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Klout here, there are loads of stuff if would do different, and we do. I'm trying to get people look at it from a wider perspective.

I don't see people complain about karme score's here on HN, reputation on stackoverflow and loads of other site's while it's basically the same. A score that help people make sense out of the content these people are producing.

Re: Opt Out of Klout Now

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Post by zltn »

threedaymonk wrote: post #29
zltn wrote: post #10

As a founder of a company in that same space I would like to add some nuance to this blog. Putting it as simple as scoring people and helping you sell back the data so you can improve your score is to simple. Scoring, ranking and sorting people is important for the future of the web. It's comparable to Google's pagerank. You need some sort of analyses/score/rank to value the content shared by someone. But with pagera…

> Scoring, ranking and sorting people is important for the future of the web. [...] You need some sort of analyses/score/rank to value the content shared by someone. This strikes me as some kind of variant of the ad hominem fallacy. You don't need to know anything about the author to value their content. A piece could be anonymous or the author's sole work and still be worth reading; conversely, people with high inte…

True, but anonymous posts that get endorsed by the people you know have authority on that subject is a good indication.

And of course, you as a person can do this as one of the best. But can humans process a daily 400 million tweets this way?

Re: Opt Out of Klout Now

#33

Post by zltn »

anigbrowl wrote: post #26
zltn wrote: post #10

As a founder of a company in that same space I would like to add some nuance to this blog. Putting it as simple as scoring people and helping you sell back the data so you can improve your score is to simple. Scoring, ranking and sorting people is important for the future of the web. It's comparable to Google's pagerank. You need some sort of analyses/score/rank to value the content shared by someone. But with pagera…

You need some sort of analyses/score/rank to value the content shared by someone. I am perfectly well able to do this myself, thanks. Most of the ratings that surround online content are useless noise.

Like I mentioned above, I'm sure you can, but can you do that for all the +400 million tweets each and everyday?

Re: Opt Out of Klout Now

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Post by jasonlotito »

threedaymonk wrote: post #29
zltn wrote: post #10

As a founder of a company in that same space I would like to add some nuance to this blog. Putting it as simple as scoring people and helping you sell back the data so you can improve your score is to simple. Scoring, ranking and sorting people is important for the future of the web. It's comparable to Google's pagerank. You need some sort of analyses/score/rank to value the content shared by someone. But with pagera…

> Scoring, ranking and sorting people is important for the future of the web. [...] You need some sort of analyses/score/rank to value the content shared by someone. This strikes me as some kind of variant of the ad hominem fallacy. You don't need to know anything about the author to value their content. A piece could be anonymous or the author's sole work and still be worth reading; conversely, people with high inte…

You're new to HN, so I'll let you in on something: while sometimes the message is more important than the messenger, many times it's not. Who says something is just as important. If that we're not the case, HN would remove the usernames as well.

There is a reason people provide context for what they say by sharing their experience. And just like in real life, taking legal advice from IANAL isn't something you should blindly do.

Re: Opt Out of Klout Now

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Post by danso »

beaker52 wrote: post #15

We have been employed by how well we market ourselves for at least two generations now. It's no longer about our skill in our work, but by how well we market ourselves. You can see this when you see people doing jobs they are unqualified for, or just plain bad at. Social networks, including Twitter double as self marketing tools. Klout exposes this clearly. For some, under the guise of "keeping up with friends" or "k…

At what point in history do you think success in human society was based on skill in work and not on "who you know"?

Edit: by the narrow standard of skill, Steve Jobs would qualify for someone who made it early on through hustle and his affiliation with Woz. You can argue that hustle and ambition is a skill...and those who are considered high-influencers might argue that they, too, are ambitious hustlers.

Re: Opt Out of Klout Now

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Post by jasonlotito »

lmm wrote: post #21

Better option: don't get a job that involves raising your social media "influence", unless you want that to be your job? A manager could equally well bring up your number of twitter followers (that's publicly viewable, right?) in a performance review.

This right here. I'd consider this a canary more than anything.

Re: Opt Out of Klout Now

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Post by dasil003 »

Deestan wrote: post #11

No, I am not going to opt out. 1. A system in which I personally have to contact every scammer that had the same idea is not a system I wish to accept and play along with. 2. By going to their site and authenticating, I have proven to them that I am a) an active user and b) there is a chance they may hold some power over me by collecting my data. While they may make a "promise" not to store my data, they can toss the…

> A system in which I personally have to contact every scammer that had the same idea is not a system I wish to accept and play along with.

I get where you're coming from, but I don't think this is a real danger. Klout had to work hard to gain traction, I don't think any copycats are going to find anywhere near enough success to even show up on your radar. I think most people, even outside the tech bubble, are well aware of Facebook whoring as a phenomenon and Klout's business model is headed towards in inevitable jumping the shark and backlash against social media fetishization. We are quickly approaching the point where Facebook and Twitter are simply utilities and there is a limited appetite to go all meta on this stuff when it isn't novel anymore.

That said, I agree nothing really good can come from opting out that can't be gained from simply ignoring Klout entirely. If the scenario in the OA ever happened where my performance evaluation at work evaluated by Klout score I would take that as a golden opportunity to heavily berate said evaluation system. Of course I'm an engineer not a social media wank, so perhaps a douchey performance review for a douchey job is in order?

Re: Opt Out of Klout Now

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Post by Jabbles »

edent wrote: post #24
Jabbles wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that I know very little about Krout, perhaps you could explain why you participated in the first place. I don't wish to sound rude; I'm genuinely interested in what exactly you did, and why you thought it was worth doing. Basically, can you expand on: " A vaguely plausible "score" that you can use to justify your "investment" in tweeting all day long. " Thanks

I didn't participate. Klout hoover up public information. Are you on Twitter or Facebook? Congratulations! You are a Klout user by default! They have a score for you which they can then sell on. Sme with Kred. You don't sign up - they just assume passive consent.

Ah, I see - wow. Things make more sense. Thanks.

Re: Opt Out of Klout Now

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Post by danso »

threedaymonk wrote: post #29
zltn wrote: post #10

As a founder of a company in that same space I would like to add some nuance to this blog. Putting it as simple as scoring people and helping you sell back the data so you can improve your score is to simple. Scoring, ranking and sorting people is important for the future of the web. It's comparable to Google's pagerank. You need some sort of analyses/score/rank to value the content shared by someone. But with pagera…

> Scoring, ranking and sorting people is important for the future of the web. [...] You need some sort of analyses/score/rank to value the content shared by someone. This strikes me as some kind of variant of the ad hominem fallacy. You don't need to know anything about the author to value their content. A piece could be anonymous or the author's sole work and still be worth reading; conversely, people with high inte…

> This strikes me as some kind of variant of the ad hominem fallacy. You don't need to know anything about the author to value their content. A piece could be anonymous or the author's sole work and still be worth reading; conversely, people with high internet reputations often write garbage.

Er, while we're citing logical fallacies...isn't your last assertion here an example of confirmation bias? Often, people with "high internet reputations" are heard most often, which means that when what they say is garbage, it will be quite prominent and memorable.

Re: Opt Out of Klout Now

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Post by gexla »

First thought - I would never take a job where I have performance reviews, especially those which account for my Klout score.

Second thought - The activity that goes into my Klout score brings in a lot of work (networking!)

These seem contradictory. I guess in some ways, my Klout score is my own personal performance review. ;)

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