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Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong

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Re: Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong

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Post by LoganCale »

pyre wrote: post #98
LoganCale wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He leaked a classified warrant ordering Verizon to turn over data on all their customers in the U.S., which is obviously without any probable cause. He leaked a Justice Department document signed by Eric Holder detailing all the exceptions where they can spy on U.S. citizens without a warrant.

I thought that the Verizon warrant came out due to some EFF actions sending FOIA requests to the FISA court regarding a specific proceeding.

No, the Verizon warrant came from Snowden. It was the first published by The Guardian in the series of documents from him. The EFF has been seeking a classified opinion by the FISC where they ruled one of the NSA's requests was unconstitutional. They have not yet been able to obtain that ruling, but the FISC has since asserted that the White House cannot order them to not release it.

Re: Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong

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Post by kdkdkdkdkdkdk »

at-fates-hands wrote: post #79
drawkbox wrote: post #49

Playing devil's advocate here, and watched a bunch of spy movies... What if Snowden is still a CIA agent (he was a CIA agent for years before NSA) and this is actually a snowjob/whitewash by the government to deflect attention or essentially control the message about news they knew would be released (diffusing that/controlling that message) and black-ops about China, Russia, Cuba + Venezuela how they treat/process po…

Agreed. Ever since this thing broke, I've been pretty skeptical about how this is unfolding. One thing about spy movies and the CIA, they're truly masters of misdirection. While you're watching the world fawn over Snowden and what he's done and the fallout, you can bet these people are still 4 steps ahead, planning and plotting their next move.

>>you can bet these people are still 4 steps ahead, planning and plotting their next move.

Who? The government? That is like believing that super advanced weapons have been developed by the government that no other scientist/engineers could hope to replicate because the Science and technology are so ahead of their time (i.e. 50 or 100 years).

Re: Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong

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Post by kdkdkdkdkdkdk »

samstave wrote: post #94
Tangaroa wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The entire Snowden hoax is a media event, a PR campaign to cover up the fact that he spied on the US for foreign powers. It's the most effective case of spin and damage control that I've ever seen.

You're confused and likely misguided.

And don't forget stupid.

Re: Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong

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Post by cjfont »

justsee wrote: post #82
cjfont wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The way I understand it, the ballot by itself does not unique ly identify the voter -- however in addition to the physical and electronic ballots, an electoral notebook records the vote and links the ballot to the voter's identity. As part of their "audit", The CNE refused to include the information from the notebooks, and thus irregularities such as an individual voting multiple times as a deceased person would not…

> thus irregularities such as an individual voting multiple times as a deceased person would not be able to be detected. That doesn't seem correct. Voters need to provide identification and their fingerprints (!) as part of the voting process, so the risk of these irregularities would be much lower than, for instance, the United States.

The voters do provide this identification, but this information is recorded in the electoral notebooks, which the CNE does not want to include as part of the audit.

Re: Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong

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Post by trevelyan »

sublimit wrote: post #39

Suddenly the front page is Snowden Snowden Snowden. Hacker News is even worse than Reddit at latching to news-of-the-minute.

The unraveling of the American Republic is news of the century. Additionally, in terms of the implications of this leak for geopolitics and Internet business/security, this is easily the biggest and most important story in international affairs since 2001.

Re: Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong

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Post by vinceguidry »

Nrsolis wrote: post #95
vinceguidry wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These sort of tricks are precisely why Snowden went public.

Litvinenko was pretty public IIRC. Still dead. Still radioactive.

Nobody said it was 100% effective.

Re: Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong

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Post by glurgh »

pvnick wrote: post #29

This is so exciting. Makes Tom Clancy novels seem dull and predictable.

I'm actually imagining it more like running with a constant background - not the Benny Hill music but Harry Belafonte's number 'Matilda'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C-DShN82mc

"Matilda, she take me secrets and run Venezuela. "

Re: Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong

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Post by gst »

DanBC wrote: post #85
gst wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not my business to report anything to anyone Actually it is. If you're in a Common Law legislation there's a good chance the you could be charged with conspiracy. And if you're in a Civil Law legislation there's a good chance that your country requires you to report ongoing crimes once you gain knowledge about them (of course there's the question if a court will treat Snowden's actions as completed or as ongoi…

> if you're in a Civil Law legislation there's a good chance that your country requires you to report ongoing crimes once you gain knowledge about them Does anyone have any citations for this please? (I'm especially interested in English law, but any other country is fine too.)

English law is common law. For further reading I recommend the following two Wikipedia links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_(crime) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessory_(legal_term)

It seems that at least in the United States there's quite a broad range of things that courts consider as "conspiracy". For example, a few years ago Reinhard Berkau (a German lawyer) was sentenced to prison in the US, because of a crime one of his clients did. He also published a book on his experiences (unfortunately in German only) in case you're interested in the background.

Re: Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong

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Post by Tangaroa »

danenania wrote: post #75
Tangaroa wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please show me where Snowden has exposed his coworkers torturing other human beings. Please show me where Snowden has exposed his coworkers building a totalitarian surveillance infrastructure. Justify describing it as 'totalitarian'. And for calling me a Nazi, go fuck yourself.

If a global system to capture the digital communications of everyone on the planet does not merit the term 'totalitarian', then that term has lost all meaning. I didn't call you a Nazi. I said the Nazis would have loved people who were ok with that kind of thing. Isn't that fairly obvious? Do you think they would have preferred a guy like Snowden?

Snowden has not, in fact, revealed the existence of a global system to capture the digital communications of everyone on the planet. Try again.

Also, I'd still like to hear the explanation of how Snowden exposed his NSA co-workers torturing people. I had not heard that one.

Re: Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong

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Post by [deleted] »

Tangaroa wrote: post #47
synctext wrote: post #4

Why is this trip of Snowden made into a media event? The Aeroflot flight number was public! Is this to counter a secret rendition attempt? Did we wake-up in a world with 007 stuff happening to real computer nerds, not just high-paid actors?

The entire Snowden hoax is a media event, a PR campaign to cover up the fact that he spied on the US for foreign powers. It's the most effective case of spin and damage control that I've ever seen.

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