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Re: NY auto dealers trying to shut down Tesla Motors in NY

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Additional details about the situation: "Tesla Clashes With Car Dealers" http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142412788732404950457854... or http://bit.ly/16UCd7s

WSJ is behind a paywall. :(

Incognito window + Google search the text for the article title

Re: NY auto dealers trying to shut down Tesla Motors in NY

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Acutally, no. State Senators Zeldin and Carlucci sponsored a bill that it would make it impossible for Tesla to operate in NYS. Now while New York Auto Dealers is likely to have lobbied for this bill, the State Senators nominally wrote the legislation and sponsored the bill. In New York, the legislative session is winding down, so it is a particularly dangerous time for bad legislation to be introduced.

I'll be interested in seeing how those senators feel about tax revenue lost if lots of people end up going out of state to buy expensive cars. It's not like it's that hard to find a border to go across in New York.

Without looking, I'm going to say it's a pretty safe bet that New York has taxes that take effect when you transfer a car in-state.

Re: NY auto dealers trying to shut down Tesla Motors in NY

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Acutally, no. State Senators Zeldin and Carlucci sponsored a bill that it would make it impossible for Tesla to operate in NYS. Now while New York Auto Dealers is likely to have lobbied for this bill, the State Senators nominally wrote the legislation and sponsored the bill. In New York, the legislative session is winding down, so it is a particularly dangerous time for bad legislation to be introduced.

Allegedly. Is there any other source who speaks this dialect of legalese and has concluded that that's what the bill would do? Have the bill's sponsors had a chance to explain the bill?

No, not allegedly.

Read the bill. Line 11-17 of the bill text linked to in this thread.

"The commissioner shall not issue any certificate of registration authorized by this section to any franchisor, MANUFACTURER, DISTRIBUTOR BRANCH OR FACTORY BRANCH, as such [term is] TERMS ARE defined in section four hundred sixty-two of this title, OR TO ANY SUBSIDIARY, AFFILIATE OR CONTROLLED ENTITY THEREOF, except that the commissioner may renew such certificate previously issued or otherwise approved to operate to a franchisor prior to [May second, two thousand two] JULY FIRST, TWO THOUSAND SIX."

In other words, if you are a manufacturer (or subsidiary) of automobiles who wasn't in operation prior to 1 July, 2006, the Commissioner of the NYS Department of Motor Vehicles shall not authorize your registration as an auto dealer. If enacted, this bill would not allow Tesla to operate its outlets in New York.

Re: NY auto dealers trying to shut down Tesla Motors in NY

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How does this bill effect Telsa? Does Telsa have it's own company run franchises in New York or something? I've read the bill ( http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?default_fld=&bn=A07844&term... ) several times now, and it only seems to prohibit the franchisor from forcing franchisees from doing certain things. I'm not seeing text in here like, "We hereby force all franchisors to sell cars through franchisees." or "Sell…

Green car Report's reading of these two bills is this would make it illegal for Tesla to register cars in the state by making it impossible for the state to register any vehicle not purchased from a franchisee. http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1084963_new-york-auto-de...

Looks like New Jersey and Connecticut are going to see a surge in Model S registrations.

Re: NY auto dealers trying to shut down Tesla Motors in NY

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He referenced the bill shortly thereafter: http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=S05725&term=2013 http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?default_fld=&bn=A07844&term...

English, specifically whatever dialect that is, is a horrible medium for encoding laws. Further, the diffing format used there is atrocious. Law is code. Why haven't we fixed this yet?

Law is code. Why haven't we fixed this yet?

Because lawyers love buggy code.

Re: NY auto dealers trying to shut down Tesla Motors in NY

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He referenced the bill shortly thereafter: http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=S05725&term=2013 http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?default_fld=&bn=A07844&term...

English, specifically whatever dialect that is, is a horrible medium for encoding laws. Further, the diffing format used there is atrocious. Law is code. Why haven't we fixed this yet?

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Re: NY auto dealers trying to shut down Tesla Motors in NY

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I bet it does get annoying trying to find ways to spin your boss's servitude to a cartel of car dealerships as somehow being for the benefit of the public.

The current arrangement came about as a means to benefit the manufacturers. The carrot was that they in turn would not attempt to circumvent the dealer system. Hence manufactures would produce cars in volume and sell them to the dealers. The dealers who made that investment in buying those cars then sold them for a profit. Dealers are protected by these same laws usually geographically. This in some way insulated the…

Why can't this all be enforced using contract law? I don't see McDonalds having burger dealerships codified into law, but rather franchise contracts that let them sell billions of pounds of beef, chicken, and potatoes through their "dealers."

Re: NY auto dealers trying to shut down Tesla Motors in NY

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Because the government is completely ran by corporations and Musk isn't in "the club" (yet). Gone are the days where the consumer is uneducated and the supplier doesn't have a way to easily and effectively communicate with customers everywhere from anywhere. There's a pretty good doc on Netflix, "Park Avenue: Money, Power and the American Dream", which covers some of the financial backing of congress and how it affec…

Are you telling me Space X, Tesla, and Solar City haven't had any special deals with the government? This is the funniest thing I've read on HN.
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