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Re: NY auto dealers trying to shut down Tesla Motors in NY

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I bet it does get annoying trying to find ways to spin your boss's servitude to a cartel of car dealerships as somehow being for the benefit of the public.

The current arrangement came about as a means to benefit the manufacturers. The carrot was that they in turn would not attempt to circumvent the dealer system. Hence manufactures would produce cars in volume and sell them to the dealers. The dealers who made that investment in buying those cars then sold them for a profit. Dealers are protected by these same laws usually geographically. This in some way insulated the…

None of your arguments tell me why this kind of relationship should be enforced by law, only why you might want to buy from a dealer and not a manufacturer directly.

Re: NY auto dealers trying to shut down Tesla Motors in NY

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"NY State Senators allegedly trying to shut down Tesla Motors in NY" would be nice too. Though really, even that's incorrect: it's the automakers who are alleged to be doing this, not state senators. But screw it, let's spread some FUD. Let me go post on Facebook about how the government is trying to destroy Elon Musk.

Acutally, no. State Senators Zeldin and Carlucci sponsored a bill that it would make it impossible for Tesla to operate in NYS. Now while New York Auto Dealers is likely to have lobbied for this bill, the State Senators nominally wrote the legislation and sponsored the bill. In New York, the legislative session is winding down, so it is a particularly dangerous time for bad legislation to be introduced.

I'll be interested in seeing how those senators feel about tax revenue lost if lots of people end up going out of state to buy expensive cars. It's not like it's that hard to find a border to go across in New York.

Re: NY auto dealers trying to shut down Tesla Motors in NY

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"NY State Senators allegedly trying to shut down Tesla Motors in NY" would be nice too. Though really, even that's incorrect: it's the automakers who are alleged to be doing this, not state senators. But screw it, let's spread some FUD. Let me go post on Facebook about how the government is trying to destroy Elon Musk.

Acutally, no. State Senators Zeldin and Carlucci sponsored a bill that it would make it impossible for Tesla to operate in NYS. Now while New York Auto Dealers is likely to have lobbied for this bill, the State Senators nominally wrote the legislation and sponsored the bill. In New York, the legislative session is winding down, so it is a particularly dangerous time for bad legislation to be introduced.

Allegedly.

Is there any other source who speaks this dialect of legalese and has concluded that that's what the bill would do? Have the bill's sponsors had a chance to explain the bill?

Re: NY auto dealers trying to shut down Tesla Motors in NY

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Any evidence to back up Musk's claim? Being a Senator's employee must be annoying sometimes. "Hi, I'm calling to defend Telsa Motors because its CEO told me to. No, I do not know anything more about the topic I am calling about"

Additional details about the situation: "Tesla Clashes With Car Dealers" http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142412788732404950457854... or http://bit.ly/16UCd7s

WSJ is behind a paywall. :(

Re: NY auto dealers trying to shut down Tesla Motors in NY

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Any evidence to back up Musk's claim? Being a Senator's employee must be annoying sometimes. "Hi, I'm calling to defend Telsa Motors because its CEO told me to. No, I do not know anything more about the topic I am calling about"

I bet it does get annoying trying to find ways to spin your boss's servitude to a cartel of car dealerships as somehow being for the benefit of the public.

I think the dealership cartel sucks, but that doesn't mean anything in opposition to it is an unreserved good.

Re: NY auto dealers trying to shut down Tesla Motors in NY

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Additional details about the situation: "Tesla Clashes With Car Dealers" http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142412788732404950457854... or http://bit.ly/16UCd7s

WSJ is behind a paywall. :(

I read it just fine, no special tricks on my part.

Re: NY auto dealers trying to shut down Tesla Motors in NY

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Because the government is completely ran by corporations and Musk isn't in "the club" (yet). Gone are the days where the consumer is uneducated and the supplier doesn't have a way to easily and effectively communicate with customers everywhere from anywhere. There's a pretty good doc on Netflix, "Park Avenue: Money, Power and the American Dream", which covers some of the financial backing of congress and how it affec…

As the founder of SpaceX he probably has more back door political leverage than if he was the CEO of Ford or GM (or he is about to get it.)

I'm on his side in this issue, but Musk definitely isn't Joe Shirtsleeve. He knows exactly who to talk to for SpaceX contracts or Tesla loan guarantees.
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