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Re: This is a web page

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Post by meerita »

tl wrote: post #179
smackfu wrote: post #161

Centered text, large white borders, and larger than standard font size are all design. Minimal design, but it does feel very different if you look at it completely unstyled: http://i.imgur.com/xOWPr8E.png I feel like it subverts the message a bit that he still felt the need to style things.

This is the full stylesheet: body { font-size:18px; } .wrapper { max-width: 600px; margin:0 auto; } I feel like you're being a little unfair here.

Still needed style. The good point is, we don't need to be extremist.

Re: This is a web page

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Post by weinzierl »

smackfu wrote: post #161

Centered text, large white borders, and larger than standard font size are all design. Minimal design, but it does feel very different if you look at it completely unstyled: http://i.imgur.com/xOWPr8E.png I feel like it subverts the message a bit that he still felt the need to style things.

Let's kick it up a notch:

What we call unstyled really means that only the browsers default CSS is applied. To me that feels like the design of 1995, NCSA Mosaic, early Netscape and all that.

To get rid of that I applied Eric Meyer’s Reset CSS 2.0, it looks like this:

http://img.weinzierlweb.com/wordsr.gif

Re: This is a web page

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Post by dutchbrit »

tl wrote: post #179
smackfu wrote: post #161

Centered text, large white borders, and larger than standard font size are all design. Minimal design, but it does feel very different if you look at it completely unstyled: http://i.imgur.com/xOWPr8E.png I feel like it subverts the message a bit that he still felt the need to style things.

This is the full stylesheet: body { font-size:18px; } .wrapper { max-width: 600px; margin:0 auto; } I feel like you're being a little unfair here.

But the question is, should we see that as structure or design?

Re: This is a web page

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Post by smackfu »

tl wrote: post #179
smackfu wrote: post #161

Centered text, large white borders, and larger than standard font size are all design. Minimal design, but it does feel very different if you look at it completely unstyled: http://i.imgur.com/xOWPr8E.png I feel like it subverts the message a bit that he still felt the need to style things.

This is the full stylesheet: body { font-size:18px; } .wrapper { max-width: 600px; margin:0 auto; } I feel like you're being a little unfair here.

Partially I was reacting to the words saying: "There's not much code on this page at all, just simple markup for paragraphs, hierarchy, and emphasis."

Re: This is a web page

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Post by smackfu »

weinzierl wrote: post #202
smackfu wrote: post #161

Centered text, large white borders, and larger than standard font size are all design. Minimal design, but it does feel very different if you look at it completely unstyled: http://i.imgur.com/xOWPr8E.png I feel like it subverts the message a bit that he still felt the need to style things.

Let's kick it up a notch: What we call unstyled really means that only the browsers default CSS is applied. To me that feels like the design of 1995, NCSA Mosaic, early Netscape and all that. To get rid of that I applied Eric Meyer’s Reset CSS 2.0, it looks like this: http://img.weinzierlweb.com/wordsr.gif

Although 1995 would have had a grey background.

Re: This is a web page

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Post by raylu »

devilshaircut wrote: post #55
bad_user wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We run into trouble when we adopt some sort of "minimalism, always, ever, for everything" dogma. Evidence? Examples?

Is it not self-obvious that if every page attempting to serve up content similar to that in the OP (pictureless editorial), the web would be bleak and characterless? Not debating the effectiveness of that kind of design, but rather pointing out the obviousness that this sort of anti-"always, ever" statement is easily validated.

If every page was similar to this one, the web would be plainer and simpler. It seems that you seem to think this is a bad thing by characterizing it as "bleak and characterless." I think it would just be a whole lot less stupid :D.

Re: This is a web page

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Post by strickjb9 »

wmeredith wrote: post #200
mapgrep wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The web is not just a place for text/words, that is not its heart and soul... It really never has been. I am thinking back when they named the protocol the HyperText Transport Protocol and the primary format the HyperText Markup Language, text was indeed the heart and soul of the medium. At one point, images weren't even displayed inline but via a helper app. This is why Mosaic was a big deal.

Yeah, that's all fine and dandy, but what if we measure "what the web is for" in bandwidth? What do most people use the web "for"? Netflix and YouTube, I'd wager.

No, you are thinking of TCP. This is an article about HTTP. (in terms of bandwidth, HTTP ⊆ TCP)

Re: This is a web page

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Post by [deleted] »

dutchbrit wrote: post #203
tl wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the full stylesheet: body { font-size:18px; } .wrapper { max-width: 600px; margin:0 auto; } I feel like you're being a little unfair here.

But the question is, should we see that as structure or design?

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Re: This is a web page

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Post by FrankBlack »

Way back in the 90's, when this new-fangled web thing was just starting to take off (especially the .com side) I was teaching an "Introduction to the Internet" course at my college. I took meticulous care in trying to explain what was happening, why it happened and how to best sort through the voluminous information resources. To me, the web was about information. To my classes (dozens of classes after a while) all that mattered was they could "surf the net". They didn't care about information, they cared about seeing pictures. They were seduced by the flashy images and bored by the banal information resources available. This is when I learned that the web is just TV with a more precise remote control. Who cares if you have (more or less) the sum total of human knowledge at your fingertips? All that matters is "Dancing Baby" and "Peanut Butter Jelly Time".

sigh

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