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Re: This is a web page

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post #106

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It's unfortunate that the article doesn't try to actually make the case for the primacy of linguistic communication, and I'm not going to take the time to do it here either. I'll just say that while I agree with you that a diversity of media is better than just one medium, I spent my childhood, before the Web was built, reading books instead of watching TV on purpose, not by accident. Books without pictures. And it's…

Do you have a good citation for the primacy of linguistic communication? I have become profoundly convinced over the last 15 years that words (& to an extent, text ), is the generally best mode of communication of meaning, beating out things such as video, images, smells, etc. But I've been generally unable to articulate that idea cleanly and persuasively.

I feel that words are the best way to communicate because words are born purely out of us; they are literally our thoughts in physical form. Videos, music, pictures, are all representations of physical things in the world around us; words are representations of the worlds inside us.

Re: This is a web page

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"At it's heart, web design should be about words." No. The web is not just a place for text / words, that is not its heart and soul, and therefore neither is that the case for web design. It really never has been. I see no great argument in favor of words being the core over any other form of expression. Today's bandwidth more than allows for beautiful video, animation, high quality graphics and photos, etc. Or low k…

Exactly.. without the graphics, audio, plugins, etc... it may as well be gopher, which most browsers don't even support anymore.

Re: This is a web page

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Centered text, large white borders, and larger than standard font size are all design. Minimal design, but it does feel very different if you look at it completely unstyled: http://i.imgur.com/xOWPr8E.png I feel like it subverts the message a bit that he still felt the need to style things.

I couldn't agree with you more. It illustrates particularly well the fact that there is a line in the sand to be drawn and that it is ambiguous. His is just but one perspective on a site that serves up one type of content.

Re: This is a web page

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post #29

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Find a story on Reddit, and usually TL;DR is a first comment. Here, we actually prefer to first read and then comment, or not comment at all.

Speak for yourself. I'll often read the comments briefly first before deciding if I want to read an article.

While tldr summary is certainly valuable, asking for one without even bothering to form a single sentence is the same level of spam as +1 type of .

Re: This is a web page

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post #129

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> I see no great argument in favour of words being the core over any other form of expression. I think the article zooms in on text for "shock value", if you will, but there's a deeper point. I trust you're not on Hacker News because of the aesthetically pleasing orange bar at the top of the page, you're here for the news, and the discussion. And that's what the article is getting at. We get so wrapped up in the tech…

Right, and there's a very strong argument to be made for a text focus on Hacker News. As I said, it depends on what the purpose of a site / web page / etc. is. The point was that words are not the heart and soul of web design. There's nothing that argues in favor of an inherent bias to words over other forms of expression. That's my position.

Of course words are more important.

Imagine the web without images. Maybe Boring, but largely functional. Now imagine the web without words.

Re: This is a web page

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post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's unfortunate that the article doesn't try to actually make the case for the primacy of linguistic communication, and I'm not going to take the time to do it here either. I'll just say that while I agree with you that a diversity of media is better than just one medium, I spent my childhood, before the Web was built, reading books instead of watching TV on purpose, not by accident. Books without pictures. And it's…

Do you have a good citation for the primacy of linguistic communication? I have become profoundly convinced over the last 15 years that words (& to an extent, text ), is the generally best mode of communication of meaning, beating out things such as video, images, smells, etc. But I've been generally unable to articulate that idea cleanly and persuasively.

Al Gore articulates the value of text well in _The Assault on Reason_. Short version: text is a "cool" medium which only indirectly rouses emotion, while images, sounds and especially video are "hot" mediums that are much more likely to bypass the prefrontal cortex, and directly stimulate emotional reactions.

Re: This is a web page

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post #58

Sure, simple text is fine for a blog. But if I'm selling something like a piece of art it's all about the images: large, high-quality images from multiple angles. Pinterest wouldn't be called minimalist, but it does a damn fine job of accomplishing its goals. Design should help accomplish business (or personal) goals. We run into trouble when we adopt some sort of "minimalism, always, ever, for everything" dogma.

I think the author clearly states: "Think about the words first, than the rest". I didn't read it as a call to minimalism, more so as "It does not matter how flashy your site is, if in the end you have really nothing to say." It's hard to disagree, honestly (it's also plain common sense, nothing groundbreaking, although the minimalist presentation really helps driving home the point).

Completely agree

Re: This is a web page

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Centered text, large white borders, and larger than standard font size are all design. Minimal design, but it does feel very different if you look at it completely unstyled: http://i.imgur.com/xOWPr8E.png I feel like it subverts the message a bit that he still felt the need to style things.

Words are the substance, style is the presentation. The focus should be on the content with style in a supporting role. You can't convey content without a style, so at the very least you should ensure that your styling doesn't detract from the message you're imparting. The first bite is with the eyes, as they say.
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