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Re: I Am Bradley Manning

#31

Post by ryanhuff »

genwin wrote: post #13
mpyne wrote: post #3

1. I like how they attack the strawman with their "aiding the enemy" means "the public is the enemy?!?" claim. They were suspiciously quiet about the news OBL (presumably an enemy) had information leaked by Pfc. Manning. But I suppose propaganda techniques are only wrong when it's the government or McDonald's, eh? 2. Manning has explicitly been removed from death penalty consideration earlier in the trial process. Th…

If the 2003 invasion of Iraq was to establish democracy you'd have a point on #3. I'm still waiting for a leader of Iraq to be elected by its people.

Do you mean their prime minister?

Re: I Am Bradley Manning

#32

Post by jussij »

mpyne wrote: post #15
ekianjo wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

mpyne, funny I see you a lot around these kind of topics these days :) Anyway, you make good points. But regarding the Arab Spring, even if Manning was indeed a catalyst for these movements (which I highly doubt), having an uprising does not always lead to thousands of deaths. As you can see those who were responsible for the deaths in these countries were the government leaders who refused to listen to the crowd and…

Think of it though, if I set a bomb somewhere and someone else tells you to walk over near it, that person bears some measure of responsibility as well, because they know the consequences that must result from a bomb detonation. If Manning is to take some of the credit for the Arab Spring then he must also bear some of the responsibility. You don't topple despots without bloodshed, so by all means take credit for you…

> so by all means take credit for your good deeds but don't try to weasel out of the negative effects you should also have known about.

G.W. Bush likes to think the war in Iraq was mission accomplished, WMD dismantled, democracy restore to Iraq, a great success.

When will he and the US government stop trying to weasel out and come clean on their stupid mistake of starting the war in the first place?

Re: I Am Bradley Manning

#33

Post by exposing_truth »

The site features another falsehood: "There is no evidence that anyone died as a result of the leaked information"

Not true. The cables contained the actual names of Afghans who helped us fight the Taliban. Once their names were exposed, unredacted, via the Wikileaks calbes, "punishment" and death -- courtesy of the ascendant Taliban leaders -- came quickly.

http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2010/07/28/murphy-rides-...

Wretchard continues his story:

"Yet the dead are the lucky ones. The more unfortunate may wind up in a torture chamber similar to one found by Coldstream Guards. It features such amenities as chains to hang prisoners from walls. Not that the inmates would want to walk on the floor: that features broken glass. And there is limb amputation, kneecapping with an electric drill, eye gouging, bone-breaking or ritual rape to smash the will. Where the offender is not himself available punishment will be visited on his relatives."

No, the antics of Manning and Assange were not without bad consequences.

Re: I Am Bradley Manning

#34

Post by jussij »

mpyne wrote: post #3

1. I like how they attack the strawman with their "aiding the enemy" means "the public is the enemy?!?" claim. They were suspiciously quiet about the news OBL (presumably an enemy) had information leaked by Pfc. Manning. But I suppose propaganda techniques are only wrong when it's the government or McDonald's, eh? 2. Manning has explicitly been removed from death penalty consideration earlier in the trial process. Th…

> that same exact logic would also justify the 2003 invasion of Iraq...

Tony Blair dragged the Brits to war by lying in parliament when he said there was evidence Saddam's military had a WMD capability that could reach London and could be ready to go within 45 minutes.

Colin Powell stood up in the UN a rattled of another bunch of lies with assertions of mobile Iraqi biological-warfare labs and a "sinister nexus" between Iraq and al-Qaeda terrorists.

The war was started on lie after lie and the administration is still lying about it today.

Re: I Am Bradley Manning

#35

Post by exposing_truth »

riggins wrote: post #24
mpyne wrote: post #3

1. I like how they attack the strawman with their "aiding the enemy" means "the public is the enemy?!?" claim. They were suspiciously quiet about the news OBL (presumably an enemy) had information leaked by Pfc. Manning. But I suppose propaganda techniques are only wrong when it's the government or McDonald's, eh? 2. Manning has explicitly been removed from death penalty consideration earlier in the trial process. Th…

my beef with your post. "There is no evidence that anyone died as a result of the leaked information...". Contrast with "The information that Bradley gave to the public has been a catalyst for pro-democracy movements in the Arab world..." IMO, it's normal to read "There is no evidence that anyone died as a result of the leaked information..." as "There is no evidence that [US soldiers, intelligence assets, allies] di…

Evidence shows intelligence assets and allies were in fact killed due to the leaked information. Some key items were redacted, but the names of many Afghans were left in plain text ... and they met terrible fates as a result.

http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2010/07/28/murphy-rides-...

Re: I Am Bradley Manning

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Post by gruseom »

exposing_truth wrote: post #35
riggins wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

my beef with your post. "There is no evidence that anyone died as a result of the leaked information...". Contrast with "The information that Bradley gave to the public has been a catalyst for pro-democracy movements in the Arab world..." IMO, it's normal to read "There is no evidence that anyone died as a result of the leaked information..." as "There is no evidence that [US soldiers, intelligence assets, allies] di…

Evidence shows intelligence assets and allies were in fact killed due to the leaked information. Some key items were redacted, but the names of many Afghans were left in plain text ... and they met terrible fates as a result. http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2010/07/28/murphy-rides-...

This is a troll. The link contains no evidence at all, just a purple fantasy.

Re: I Am Bradley Manning

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Post by gruseom »

exposing_truth wrote: post #33

The site features another falsehood: "There is no evidence that anyone died as a result of the leaked information" Not true. The cables contained the actual names of Afghans who helped us fight the Taliban. Once their names were exposed, unredacted, via the Wikileaks calbes, "punishment" and death -- courtesy of the ascendant Taliban leaders -- came quickly. http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2010/07/28/murphy-rides…

This is a troll. I like to look at contrarian evidence, so I read the article. It contains zero evidence and is just a creepy piece of fantasy writing.

Perhaps evidence does exist, but odds are we'd have heard about it by now, given how hard it's been sought (presumably by people who don't lack for media access).

Re: I Am Bradley Manning

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Post by alwaysinshade »

exposing_truth wrote: post #33

The site features another falsehood: "There is no evidence that anyone died as a result of the leaked information" Not true. The cables contained the actual names of Afghans who helped us fight the Taliban. Once their names were exposed, unredacted, via the Wikileaks calbes, "punishment" and death -- courtesy of the ascendant Taliban leaders -- came quickly. http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2010/07/28/murphy-rides…

Your post misses a key point:

"WikiLeaks published a lengthy statement on its website Thursday morning, accusing the Guardian of "negligently [disclosing] top secret WikiLeaks’ decryption passwords to hundreds of thousands of unredacted unpublished US diplomatic cables." According to WikiLeaks, the disclosure of the password began months ago when Rusbridger's brother-in-law David Leigh, also the Guardian's investigations editor, learned the password and subsequently published the passwords in his book about WikiLeaks."

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/09/wikileaks-unredac...

http://www.wikileaks.org/Guardian-journalist-negligently.htm...

Re: I Am Bradley Manning

#39

Post by anigbrowl »

nikcub wrote: post #23
mpyne wrote: post #3

1. I like how they attack the strawman with their "aiding the enemy" means "the public is the enemy?!?" claim. They were suspiciously quiet about the news OBL (presumably an enemy) had information leaked by Pfc. Manning. But I suppose propaganda techniques are only wrong when it's the government or McDonald's, eh? 2. Manning has explicitly been removed from death penalty consideration earlier in the trial process. Th…

800 people died in Egypt, 300 in Tunisia, 8 in Algeria, 120 in Bahrain To put this into context, over 2000 people died in Iraq in only the last month . This is years after the war being 'over' and many more years after mission accomplished, and the monthly death total is still greater than the net total of the Arab Spring revolutions You can't compare Iraq to the Arab spring nations that democratized peacefully. You…

Wait a minute, it's not like everyone through the war in Iraq was a good thing until Bradley Manning leaked information about it, or that there was a news blackout about how poorly it was going or that the US created a power vacuum that degenerated into a hideous civil war. I'm not willing to address any of the detail in your argument when you start out with such an enormous attempt at misdirection.

Try again by all means, but please don't treat your readers like idiots.

Re: I Am Bradley Manning

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Post by pekk »

jussij wrote: post #34
mpyne wrote: post #3

1. I like how they attack the strawman with their "aiding the enemy" means "the public is the enemy?!?" claim. They were suspiciously quiet about the news OBL (presumably an enemy) had information leaked by Pfc. Manning. But I suppose propaganda techniques are only wrong when it's the government or McDonald's, eh? 2. Manning has explicitly been removed from death penalty consideration earlier in the trial process. Th…

> that same exact logic would also justify the 2003 invasion of Iraq... Tony Blair dragged the Brits to war by lying in parliament when he said there was evidence Saddam's military had a WMD capability that could reach London and could be ready to go within 45 minutes. Colin Powell stood up in the UN a rattled of another bunch of lies with assertions of mobile Iraqi biological-warfare labs and a "sinister nexus" betw…

That's an overstatement, for example Powell himself has expressed regret about those statements
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