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Your Feedback Matters – Update on Xbox One

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Re: Your Feedback Matters – Update on Xbox One

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Post by sz4kerto »

ebbv wrote: post #36

This takes care of the used games issue but it doesn't take care of: - $100 more expensive than PS4. - Kinect always included, always connected and always on. Cannot be removed, disabled or turned off. - Netflix behind Xbox Live Gold paywall, available for free on PS4. Plus other numerous functionality complaints such as it's supposed to be the way you watch TV but it isn't a DVR, you still need a separate DVR. And i…

Really? It's not possible to turn on Kinect? Even if you unplug it? Even if you cover it? Even if you put it in a cupboard? Whoa, that must be a marvelous piece of hardware.

Re: Your Feedback Matters – Update on Xbox One

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Post by MartinCron »

rmrfrmrf wrote: post #28
gfodor wrote: post #7

I'm pretty sure short-sighted consumers/gamers shot themselves in the foot on this one, big time. I would have liked to have seen if Microsoft's move would have led to cheaper per game pricing like we see on PC. I guess we'll never know. I actually respected them for making a ballsy change like this that may have brought the console gaming industry into the Steam era. Also, it now looks like you can no longer share/l…

1) Microsoft doesn't set the price of games. What would have happened would be developers setting slightly higher prices than XBOX360, citing inflation and 'increased costs of development for more sophisticated systems' as reasons why the games are still more expensive. In other words, they'd be saying, "If it weren't digital only, it would be $89.99 instead of $59.99, so count your blessings!" Consumers are so well-…

3) At 0.58 oz, a DVD weighs less than a sippy cup

The Xbox One will support blu-ray discs, so your entire argument is invalid.

Re: Your Feedback Matters – Update on Xbox One

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Post by HelloMcFly »

ebbv wrote: post #36

This takes care of the used games issue but it doesn't take care of: - $100 more expensive than PS4. - Kinect always included, always connected and always on. Cannot be removed, disabled or turned off. - Netflix behind Xbox Live Gold paywall, available for free on PS4. Plus other numerous functionality complaints such as it's supposed to be the way you watch TV but it isn't a DVR, you still need a separate DVR. And i…

The Netflix thing is the only one stopping me, really. I love the idea of voice commands (if they work smoothly) and combining my OTA channels with my games. I'm willing to pay an extra $100 for what I assume (and will wait to see verified) will be a much better cohesive media experience than the PS4 that includes those two things. By pay an annual fee for Netflix on top of what I pay Netflix? Never.

I also don't care about the always-semi-on Kinect.

Re: Your Feedback Matters – Update on Xbox One

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Post by falcolas »

gfodor wrote: post #7

I'm pretty sure short-sighted consumers/gamers shot themselves in the foot on this one, big time. I would have liked to have seen if Microsoft's move would have led to cheaper per game pricing like we see on PC. I guess we'll never know. I actually respected them for making a ballsy change like this that may have brought the console gaming industry into the Steam era. Also, it now looks like you can no longer share/l…

I wish you were right, and the games would have indeed been cheaper. However, Microsoft said that they would not.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/17/microsoft-reveals-the...

Was this a pre-emptive statement, based on their retraction today? Possibly, but probably not. Pricing their games lower would convey the secondary message that their games have less value than the equivalent game on PS4.

Would they have lowered them eventually? Probably not until Sony did as well. There's was literally no reason for them to do so (aside from some graduate analysts saying it would have cost them in the long run).

Re: Your Feedback Matters – Update on Xbox One

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Post by anoncow »

ebbv wrote: post #36

This takes care of the used games issue but it doesn't take care of: - $100 more expensive than PS4. - Kinect always included, always connected and always on. Cannot be removed, disabled or turned off. - Netflix behind Xbox Live Gold paywall, available for free on PS4. Plus other numerous functionality complaints such as it's supposed to be the way you watch TV but it isn't a DVR, you still need a separate DVR. And i…

Without the retraction, Xbox one would probably have been dead on arrival. This move takes them back to where they were. The malarkey about how XBox one wanted to be a better steam and would offer cheaper games(this was what some xbox dev said in response to the xbone bashing), now stands squashed.

Your points about how netflix is behind a paywall and how there isn't a dvr or multiple hdmi inputs in xbone are spot on. If microsoft implements these features, then xbox one could be a great bet.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5876761

Re: Your Feedback Matters – Update on Xbox One

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Post by gfodor »

corresation wrote: post #26
gfodor wrote: post #7

I'm pretty sure short-sighted consumers/gamers shot themselves in the foot on this one, big time. I would have liked to have seen if Microsoft's move would have led to cheaper per game pricing like we see on PC. I guess we'll never know. I actually respected them for making a ballsy change like this that may have brought the console gaming industry into the Steam era. Also, it now looks like you can no longer share/l…

This is talking specifically about disc-based games, which will return to operating as they always have. Good news for everyone. If you want to lend your game to a friend, give them your disc ("Lug" it around? For real?). Further when the inevitable system outage/hack attack happens, yay, those disc games still run. When Microsoft bans your Live account because your nephew trolled some people, yay, those disc games s…

How do I lend a game to my brother who lives on the other side of the U.S.? If you're going to make the argument that discs are "good enough" you sound a bit like people saying letters are "good enough" compared to e-mail. There are obvious advantages to digital content but it sounded like to get those advantages Microsoft decided it needed to add some "DRM-like" experiences. I'm not going to say it was the right tradeoff but them basically doing a 180 based upon nerd outrage about the used game market is disappointing.

I would agree that making games unplayable if you are banned from XBox Live is horrible, and I am skeptical that was actually going to be a real policy since it's obviously unfair and there's no real "DRMy" reason to do it.

Re: Your Feedback Matters – Update on Xbox One

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Post by wukkuan »

sergiotapia wrote: post #46

Doesn't matter to me in the slightest. I was a 360 owner this current gen (coming off of the PS2) but I will leave Microsoft come end of year. I don't want or need the vast majority of features they are offering. I live in Bolivia - I don't care about the NFL, can't watch Netflix or even stream Pandora. The PS4 has more features that I can use and want, is cheaper and doesn't come with bullshit DRM. Where's the choic…

What are the features the PS4 has that are missing on the Xbox One? Genuine question.

Re: Your Feedback Matters – Update on Xbox One

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Post by proland »

sz4kerto wrote: post #51
ebbv wrote: post #36

This takes care of the used games issue but it doesn't take care of: - $100 more expensive than PS4. - Kinect always included, always connected and always on. Cannot be removed, disabled or turned off. - Netflix behind Xbox Live Gold paywall, available for free on PS4. Plus other numerous functionality complaints such as it's supposed to be the way you watch TV but it isn't a DVR, you still need a separate DVR. And i…

Really? It's not possible to turn on Kinect? Even if you unplug it? Even if you cover it? Even if you put it in a cupboard? Whoa, that must be a marvelous piece of hardware.

Console won't boot without it plugged in.

It's also not clear if there will be a physical power button, meaning the only way to turn the damn thing on will be for Kinect to hear the phrase "Xbox On", meaning stuffing it in a cupboard won't be a particularly effective idea.

Re: Your Feedback Matters – Update on Xbox One

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Post by ebbv »

dualboot wrote: post #50
ebbv wrote: post #36

This takes care of the used games issue but it doesn't take care of: - $100 more expensive than PS4. - Kinect always included, always connected and always on. Cannot be removed, disabled or turned off. - Netflix behind Xbox Live Gold paywall, available for free on PS4. Plus other numerous functionality complaints such as it's supposed to be the way you watch TV but it isn't a DVR, you still need a separate DVR. And i…

Personally, I don't care if the Kinect is always connected if the thing isn't online at all. Also a $100 Discount doesn't have any traction with me regarding all of the bad will they created from the decades of pushing highly proprietary technologies into the market. Their terrible practices for me hit a crescendo when they made my life miserable via in-laws putting Sony rootkit audio-cd's into their PC. Nope. Not ge…

Sony has certainly done some heinous things in the past, but so has Microsoft. So, pick your poison.

Re: Your Feedback Matters – Update on Xbox One

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Post by gfodor »

rmrfrmrf wrote: post #28
gfodor wrote: post #7

I'm pretty sure short-sighted consumers/gamers shot themselves in the foot on this one, big time. I would have liked to have seen if Microsoft's move would have led to cheaper per game pricing like we see on PC. I guess we'll never know. I actually respected them for making a ballsy change like this that may have brought the console gaming industry into the Steam era. Also, it now looks like you can no longer share/l…

1) Microsoft doesn't set the price of games. What would have happened would be developers setting slightly higher prices than XBOX360, citing inflation and 'increased costs of development for more sophisticated systems' as reasons why the games are still more expensive. In other words, they'd be saying, "If it weren't digital only, it would be $89.99 instead of $59.99, so count your blessings!" Consumers are so well-…

1) I don't buy that somehow gaming is a price fixing scheme. SNES games were $80 and that was 20 years ago. Market forces affect prices, and the used game market is a large market force.

2) "Re-authenticate every 24 hours" does not imply decent, always-on Internet. Most of the U.S. can re-authenticate every 24 hours. And those who are in the small minority that cannot should not prevent everyone else from the benefits of being able to digitally share their games with others. On military bases and space stations there can always be a special edition XBone that doesn't require connectivity and only plays discs with some software tweaks. Now, instead, we all lose.

3) The point about lugging it around was not the weight, it's the fact in 2013 there are use cases where a disc is the only way to do something, in this case, sharing a game. My lapto and iPad don't have disc drives and I haven't bought a game on a DVD in about 10 years.

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