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PRISM fears give private search engine DuckDuckGo its best week ever

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Re: PRISM fears give private search engine DuckDuckGo its best week ever

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Glad to see them succeeding, but personally the privacy of my web searches doesn't bother me - as long as they aren't being passed along with personally identifying information. I'm far more worried about emails, messaging, video, storage etc. Can someone explain to me (or point me in the direction of something that explains) what Google and Bing store in terms of tracking when you are not logged in? Obviously you ca…

TOR is not that safe. If the exit node is compromised you’re f*cked for good. As for Google the thing is that they’re also an advertising network so basically they track you all around the web.

What threat are you referring to here? Takeovers through the browser via HTML injected by the exit node?

Re: PRISM fears give private search engine DuckDuckGo its best week ever

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Because look at the logo and the design, that duck is cool! And it says it's private! /s

Or because their entire business differentiation from the beginning has been privacy. This does not mean that it is not compromised, of course. But its why people would believe it isn't compromised. And its a much better reason than your sarcastic imitation.

Just like Google and Microsoft "take your privacy very seriously"? Not based in the US has become an undeniable feature.

Re: PRISM fears give private search engine DuckDuckGo its best week ever

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There's no question that they're monitoring upstream traffic. In fact they may still be doing the old ECHELON trick in which the US eavesdrops on non-Americans, the rest of the world spies on Americans (among others) - and then everyone swaps the data received. But in the light of the PRISM documents it's even more likely than it was before that the NSA doesn't have the ability to decrypt HTTPS, or at the minimum tha…

I can't remember which interview it was, if on Democracy Now, or his MIT lecture video, but Bill Binney stated that the NSA in fact does decrypt HTTPS.

If Bill Binney said that, and if he is right, I'd assume the most likely explanation is that NSA can push over some low-security SSL connections of the type jerf describes above https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5877362 , but has to rely on "direct access" to get around most or all high-quality (but still widely-used) SSL encryption. (Or, again, that it also has the capacity to break high-grade HTTPS connections, but it's holding that back for really important occasions.)

Re: PRISM fears give private search engine DuckDuckGo its best week ever

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It's not safe to assume the NSA doesn't log DDG searches. Look at the PRISM logo - it's a beam splitter. Read the slide, look at the "Upstream" portion. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Upstream_slide_of_the... They're logging all your URLs and headers. How much are you willing to bet they can't decrypt https? I dont understand all the hubbub _is focused solely_ on direct server access (the bottom half of the s…

More concretely, they don't have to rely on decrypting https. An approved NSA or FISA order to DDG will give the government an en clair "wiretap" on your DDG searches for up to a year. They may not be able to get the searches you did before the wiretap began, but that's all.

Re: PRISM fears give private search engine DuckDuckGo its best week ever

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For programming questions, I almost always append site:stackoverflow.com to my search term... generally the anser is on SO, but I prefer the search engine's results over SO's search... on DDG and Google.

if you're using DDG just prepend your query with !so. Using bang notation is like having every search engine in your search bar at once. ...and of course, I had no idea if !so would work before I tried it. The obvious one always seems to work:)

He said "I prefer the search engine's results over SO's search..."

DDG's bang notation uses SO's search rather than the search engine's results.

Note that DDG's bang notation is also redundant with Chrome and most other browsers that let you set your own search engine keywords. Chrome's is especially nice, just type the first few letters of the site's URL and hit Tab and you're in a site specific search. It works automatically for any site implementing OpenSearch (or you can add it yourself by right-clicking the search box), and you don't have to memorize any keywords, so that's two advantages over DDG right there.

Re: PRISM fears give private search engine DuckDuckGo its best week ever

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It's not safe to assume the NSA doesn't log DDG searches. Look at the PRISM logo - it's a beam splitter. Read the slide, look at the "Upstream" portion. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Upstream_slide_of_the... They're logging all your URLs and headers. How much are you willing to bet they can't decrypt https? I dont understand all the hubbub _is focused solely_ on direct server access (the bottom half of the s…

Google wasn't passively spied on via a beam splitter or whatever you call it.

They were doing the spying and actively sending the data out.

Re: PRISM fears give private search engine DuckDuckGo its best week ever

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I ceased using Google search except as a last resort when this story broke, and I had no idea what I had been missing out on with DDG: Excellent keyboard navigation . Also, DDG's results compared to a year ago are night-and-day. It seems to listen to my keywords better than Google did too, a growing annoyance I had. If you haven't, you really should try out DDG for a week.

That makes two of us. While lots of people say "well Google won't miss you", I think we still have the duty to do what's right.

The USA was founded as the most free, exemplary democracy in history and what we saw in this scandal is precisely the opposite of what this Nation earned so Google could exist. Then Google betrayed us all and was in bed with the government in the most sinister way possible since 2009.

Honestly? I'd rather give someone else a chance. Then if DuckDuckGo spies on us in the future, I'll switch again.

Re: PRISM fears give private search engine DuckDuckGo its best week ever

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An observation: Ghostery blocked 22 trackers on this article. Does it somehow make tracking my every move online okay if it's done for profit? EDIT: phrasing.

Everyone was ok with google's tracking for ads and commercial purposes, even though it felt kinda weird, we had a feelign it wasn't evil somehow.

Now I can't even look at Google anymore, they're like a spouse that cheated on you. You knew the spouse may have been watching you, but at least they weren't fucking with someone else while you trusted them.

Re: PRISM fears give private search engine DuckDuckGo its best week ever

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It's not safe to assume the NSA doesn't log DDG searches. Look at the PRISM logo - it's a beam splitter. Read the slide, look at the "Upstream" portion. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Upstream_slide_of_the... They're logging all your URLs and headers. How much are you willing to bet they can't decrypt https? I dont understand all the hubbub _is focused solely_ on direct server access (the bottom half of the s…

"How much are you willing to bet they can't decrypt https?" I'd bet quite a bit, though not "my life", that they do not have a generalized "read everything" ability for all forms of SSL. They may have what cryptographers would call "a crack", but that's a low bar, and doesn't prove they have a practical attack. However, DDG is currently using 128-bit RC4, which is very weak. [1] I wouldn't care to bet anything that t…

Thanks for the link, that was an awesome article. Well written and technically substantial. How did you come across it?

Re: PRISM fears give private search engine DuckDuckGo its best week ever

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post #48
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This is great news for DuckDuckGo and I'm all for it, however, DuckDuckGo isn't completely private right? From what I see, DuckDuckGo obtains much of its data from 3rd parties, such as Bing/Microsoft and Yahoo. http://help.duckduckgo.com/customer/portal/articles/216399-s... "While our indexes are getting bigger, we do not expect to be wholly independent from third-parties. Bing and Google each spend hundreds of milli…

While we do use 3rd parties to fulfill some of our organic results we always make those calls from our machines. We never pass along IP addresses. This means that while our other sources might see your queries, they are not tied with PII (personally identifiable information).

I misunderstood. Excellent.
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