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Re: Mozilla, EFF, Reddit And 83 Other Organizations Launch StopWatching.Us

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I have thought about it. We can't make use any more of Google, Microsoft, Yahoo Twitter and FaceBook. We need a new system, one built with anonymity and lacking a central point of failure. Let's say we invent a protocol and write some software clients for it. It should do anonymous search, browsing, messenging, social networking, video calls and video streaming. It would hide the origin of a request and make it uncer…

I've been thinking about this, too (I think something built on top of Freenet is the answer, btw). But the trouble I keep running in to is: no one is going to use it. Relatively few people want to hide what they put into the Internet. Everything on Facebook is effectively public, and look how much information gets placed there. We can invent wonderful and secure ideas all day, and have been since the '40s. But what u…

> We need to break this down like any traditional problem and remove irrationality. What, exactly, is the problem we want to solve? What prevents existing technology from solving that problem?

1) We want Ann and Bob to be able to communicate. Both Ann and Bob must know that they are actually talking to each other, and not to Eve pretending to be Ann or Bob. Eve must not be able to understand what Ann or Bob are saying to each other.

2) We want Anonymous_Person to be able to send a document to Bob. We don't want Eve to be able to work out who anonymous_person is. We don't care if Eve can read the document.

These two are already possible, but hard. Subtle flaws can mean totally broken. Huge amounts of money and research and effort goes into making computer OSs and interfaces easier to use, but there is very little happening around making cryptography and anonymity easier to use. Thus, good quality, short, readable, documentation would be very useful. And much better interfaces and workflow for existing software would also be helpful.

3) We want Anonymous_Person to be able to send a message to Bob. We want Anonymous_Person and Bob to be able to know they are talking to each other, and not to Eve pretending to be one of them. We want to make sure that Eve cannot read the message. And we want to make sure that Even cannot tell who anonymous person is.

This is very hard. It requires advanced knowledge, and strict discipline, and very careful use of complicated tools.

Then there are a bunch of expectations. "We cooperate only when given a validly formed legal document; and we resist those if we think they're too broad" is one. Perhaps some kind of Privacy Charter? A bit like the GNKSA[1] (Good Net Keeping Seal of Approval) - and companies can have a checklist of things they do to meet the charter.

[1] (http://www.gnksa.org/)

Re: Mozilla, EFF, Reddit And 83 Other Organizations Launch StopWatching.Us

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Or a mesh network consisting of wifi nodes might be good too. The trick is in the routing.

There's something like that already in the works: http://www.reddit.com/r/darknetplan

A mesh network can't scale.

"We show that for WMNs the throughput of each node decreases as O(1/n), where n is the total number of nodes in the network."

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpls/abs_all.jsp?arnumber=1241089...

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The less money they have, the less stuff they can do. Iran-Contra, anybody? And the president that was in charge was a small government hero. And since radical downsizing won't happen voluntarily, as both political parties are corrupt and incompetent, the only way I can see this happening is for the government to continue borrowing and spending money into oblivion, which will ultimately trigger an economic default. A…

Except they never starved anything. Government expenditures did not decline in any meaningful way.

It's almost as if there's a trend that people who go on and on and on about their commitment to "small government" principles suddenly abandon those principles the moment they're in power.

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Just the fact that we have to start websites like these, and march Capitol Hill to make the government realize its mistake is depressing, infuriating, and is gently, gradually tapping at a hot, steaming teapot of rage within every rational individual's psyche. What is the root cause? How did this get so incredibly bad? Is it the fault of the public? Is it the public's fault we are in an Orwellian state of Soviet-era…

Concrete steps that I have made to gain control over my data: - hosting my DNS server ( bind ) along with my domain - Made my own RSS reader and blog with openid authentication (server/client) - Installed ftp server ( vsftpd ) - Installed my own mailserver (nice tutorial here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer ) Planning to: - install my own xmpp server I want to create an integrated, user centered platfor…

In addition to Citadel, look at Kolab (http://www.kolab.org).

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I'm looking at doing something similar. Are you writing about any of this as you go? Would be interesting to learn about the hurdles.

Unfortunately no, I'm just pushing to make something usable and stable. Then I plan to release it in the wild along with the documentation, as free open source of course

Would you be happy to keep up with our updates? I'm putting together a website and mailing list about the work we're doing. My email is in my profile.

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Interesting sentiment, and I can't help but think this is why the government seems to fear the youth the most/ships them off to wars in other countries.

Was there a time when wars were only fought by old men?

The question is not the age of the people fighting wars, but what a government chooses to "use" its youth population for.

Re: Mozilla, EFF, Reddit And 83 Other Organizations Launch StopWatching.Us

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Just the fact that we have to start websites like these, and march Capitol Hill to make the government realize its mistake is depressing, infuriating, and is gently, gradually tapping at a hot, steaming teapot of rage within every rational individual's psyche. What is the root cause? How did this get so incredibly bad? Is it the fault of the public? Is it the public's fault we are in an Orwellian state of Soviet-era…

Concrete steps that I have made to gain control over my data: - hosting my DNS server ( bind ) along with my domain - Made my own RSS reader and blog with openid authentication (server/client) - Installed ftp server ( vsftpd ) - Installed my own mailserver (nice tutorial here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer ) Planning to: - install my own xmpp server I want to create an integrated, user centered platfor…

I wonder if there might be some way to do secure, PK-encrypted, federated message-based services using Tent.io or similar?

Re: Mozilla, EFF, Reddit And 83 Other Organizations Launch StopWatching.Us

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May I ask to expand this request to all the advertisers, and other consumer trackers? Google, Facebook, 99.9% of all Internet consumer stuff basically? Plus Banks, Credit Card companies, TelCos?

The fact that PRISM is so cheap (20mil) is only possible because the NSA does not need to actually snoop at all - it is just taking data from Google, etc. that they already collected on us (which for some fucking reason is ok if it is a commercial entity).

So if I ever get slammed for using AdBlock, I'll cite this NSA bruhaha and the stopwatching.us initiative.

Or, as the genius Onion put it: Area Man Outraged His Private Information Being Collected By Someone Other Than Advertisers http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-man-outraged-his-priva...

Re: Mozilla, EFF, Reddit And 83 Other Organizations Launch StopWatching.Us

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Just the fact that we have to start websites like these, and march Capitol Hill to make the government realize its mistake is depressing, infuriating, and is gently, gradually tapping at a hot, steaming teapot of rage within every rational individual's psyche. What is the root cause? How did this get so incredibly bad? Is it the fault of the public? Is it the public's fault we are in an Orwellian state of Soviet-era…

Concrete steps that I have made to gain control over my data: - hosting my DNS server ( bind ) along with my domain - Made my own RSS reader and blog with openid authentication (server/client) - Installed ftp server ( vsftpd ) - Installed my own mailserver (nice tutorial here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer ) Planning to: - install my own xmpp server I want to create an integrated, user centered platfor…

Well I've just learned that the guys from https://www.cozycloud.cc/ have come a long way implementing a user centered platform ( personal cloud ). It really looks promising.
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