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Re: Mac Pro

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post #496

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Didn't the Cube have overheating issues?

It had overheating issues if your cat sat on top of it, with the side effect of cat fur being sucked into it. Reference: http://akibjorklund.com/2008/the-cubes-fatal-flaw-cats

Yeah, I can imagine cats loved them. My brother's cat use to lay down on his laptop. While he is working.

Re: Mac Pro

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post #491

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So how many cubic feet per minute will convection cause in this case? 1? 10? Fans will move a hundred cfm or more without much noise. Both of my recent hardware failures have been caused by dust accumulating in heatsinks, so having something which contributes to that is also a "very bad idea". Especially since the air passes through a relatively confined space which you can't regularly clear out.

What constitutes much noise is subjective, I suppose, but any fan moving hundreds of cfm will be very loud. A 140mm fan moving 20 to 30 cfm is still audible, if you're in a quiet room. A common approach is to have an intake filter that catches dust. Another is to elevate the case a few inches above the ground.

I have intake filters on my PC, and it's also somewhere around 2 feet off the ground. Still cops a lot of dust.

Re: Mac Pro

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post #366

It's disturbing to see so many people drooling over this hardware. Granted, it's tasty-looking, but: - http://www.defectivebydesign.org/apple - http://www.ifixit.com/blog/2011/01/20/apples-diabolical-plan... - http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2337939,00.asp Give some thought to the above before buying an Apple device, please.

It's a brilliant design (far beyond its aesthetic novelty), and quite frankly I could care less that they lock things up or spy on me. Make sure to copy and paste your little comment on every Windows PC/phone/tablet announcement as well. Last I checked, it's easier to install Linux on a Mac than a new PC. Oh, you didn't know? Apple isn't the only "diabolical" company. Don't forget about Google, Microsoft, Facebook, t…

All I asked was that people consider these issues before buying Apple. For some types of evil, Apple is the least evil company in its field. For others, it's the worst.

I posted to HN because I'm concerned that these sorts of discussions get no air-time when discussing the latest, greatest IT products. As an example, when was the last time you saw a reviewer asking a company about the GPL compliance of its new Android product?

(Actually, when was the last time you saw a reviewer do anything other than copy-and-paste from a press release? Most reviews these days are just marketing copy).

Re: Mac Pro

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post #387

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I think that the whole notion of "it's nice to know I could upgrade" is primarily a consequence of what's currently in the system. Consider the next upgrade. You buy this thing in 2013. For bulk storage, you hook up a usb 3.0 raid array and a cheap usb dvd drive. A couple years later, you decide you need more fast storage, so you add on a 512GB / 4 TB thunderbolt fusion drive box (note: this product doesn't exist tod…

I definitely see what you are saying, and that is why I do think it is a very impressive and very cool computer. But a lot of the value for me was the one device. A single, unix based[1] device that did everything from be my htpc to be my fileserver to be my desktop, music player, build box, run all my vms, etc. I derived a lot of value from that. Even if the second device is an apple TV, it's still a second device.…

Thunderbolt 2 is 20gbps = 2500MB/s. Raw 4K video maxes out at 776MB/s, RED has compression that pushes it down to 2.5MB/s. The Mac Pro has six ports, so a total of 120Gbps (15GB/s), if the controller can handle that.

Re: Mac Pro

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post #231

Copywriting and product-debate aside, that's some pretty impressive frontend presentation. From what I can tell from the minified JS, they're using Require.JS for code organization, their own jQuery-like utility toolkit they call Apple Core, fully pre-rendered text everywhere, and javascript that plays and pauses two copies of the HTML5 video, one backwards and one forwards, shuffling their opacities for seamless tra…

No doubt the tech behind it is very cool, but, presentation-wise, it just looks like a well-made slideshow with a weird gimmick for switching slides to me. Did the right arrow button go out of style or something?

Re: Mac Pro

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They're not "betting the farm" on it: they're locked into Thunderbolt because Intel sold them an end-to-end platform, from CPU to chipset to everything in between. That "everything in between" includes Thunderbolt; it's the reason you haven't seen the latest USB on a Mac in forever. Even in spite of a dearth of options, Thunderbolt was the only way to go on a Mac because Intel said so.

"it's the reason you haven't seen the latest USB on a Mac in forever." Do I misunderstand what you mean by this? USB3 is rolling out on Macs and available on most of them today. (I think the Mac Pro is the only one currently lacking it.)

Right, you can get it on the very latest Macs, most of which are just rolling out now and none of which have been out for more than a year. USB 3 is old at this point; most manufacturers started shipping devices and computers with USB 3 ports in 2009. But because Intel didn't adopt USB3 until their Panther Point reference platform in 2012, Apple really didn't have much of a choice.

(Intel really, really wanted people to use Thunderbolt, even though there weren't any Thunderbolt devices available.)

It took four years from when the standard was finalized for Macs to finally start shipping with USB 3.

Re: Mac Pro

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As a design asthetic I find it fairly interesting. By working toward a design managing the thermals in a way that allow for more heat removal while allowing it to not sound like a 747 on takeoff is good. I suspect your typical desktop machine will benefit from that kind of thinking. Also for a long time Intel was trying to push all of the expansion boards outside the case with USB, and Apple seems close to achieving…

>allow for more heat removal while allowing it to not sound like a 747 on takeoff is good

Funny because the case looks like a jet engine :D

Re: Mac Pro

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post #272

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Thanks for that tip. I might just do that. Perhaps reload my mac pro with snow leopard one last time, get another year or so out of it, and then "switch" to linux on an old school workstation like this. Hate to abandon all of my mac VMs, though. I don't think a non-mac vmware host can run mac VM guests... without a lot of mucking around, that is...

I'm fairly sure I've seen people run OS X as a vmWare guest on either Windows or Linux.

Unfortunately that's not allowed by Apple. OS X needs to run on Apple hardware.

Re: Mac Pro

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post #131

I love watching people moan about this yet unreleased product. I think the new Mac Pro episode will resemble the iPad one - lots of "ohemgee it's like just a bigger ipod, lol, how stupid do they think we are, kthx?" reactions, when in fact this product will probably push a new paradigm shift in the way workstations are built i.e. moving away from the plastic pieces of shit ubiquitously sold now. Seriously, I dare you…

We reserve our right to moan at consumer junk with the workstation label glued on. Innovation is not something I really want in the workstation market. I want something utterly reliable that works flawlessly for several years and if something goes wrong I can swap the bits out in minutes. If I need more disks, just throw them inside it without playing around with half knackered frayed cables, external enclosures, pow…

Remember the good old days when SGI had awesome casings and rock-solid tech inside?
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