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Re: Edward Snowden 'missing' in Hong Kong

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Post by ChuckMcM » Tue, Jun 11, 2013, 3:15 AM UTC

bane wrote: post #38

Stuck in Hong Kong? Short on money? On the run from the Triads or the Man? Come stay at the (formerly) fabulous Chung King Mansions! The only hotel you can live in 24/7, get a job and raise a family in. In balmy Kowloon! Rooms start at $30. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XiRF1OOuw8&list=PL12CEAFFE67...

Fascinating, I wish my German was better. The Broad Group is potentially building their 220 floor building [1] which would seem like something you could do in Hong Kong and profit quite handsomely from. I suspect though that the Broad group is thinking about this sort of environment as a potential result.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broad_Group

Re: Edward Snowden 'missing' in Hong Kong

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Post by Spooky23 » Tue, Jun 11, 2013, 3:15 AM UTC

cpleppert wrote: post #15

quackerhacker wrote: post #5

So far all of his decisions have been very well calculated. I think this is apart of his reveal, to either keep the focus on the story, or maintain some type of safety and appear to have disappeared into China's intelligence agency....the real point I think is to keep the focus on the reveal.

Booz Allen said he was an employee for less than three months. That sounds really interesting, I thought he would have worked there for longer since he claims he was planning this for a long time and the reporter said he was in contact for months. If you read what the Wash Post reporter said Snowden tried to get him to release the entire slide deck. Why couldn't he put it on the internet? It is also interesting to me…

In other government/megacorp settings, contractors can end up staying in the same position for years working for different companies. Back in the early 2000's I worked for a State government where some of the contractors had been around for twenty years working for Digital, IBM, Dell, HP, a half dozen companies you never heard of, etc.

There tends to be a small world around big organizations, as social proof is important for getting jobs and closing deals.

Re: Edward Snowden 'missing' in Hong Kong

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Post by mahmud » Tue, Jun 11, 2013, 3:16 AM UTC

bane wrote: post #38

Stuck in Hong Kong? Short on money? On the run from the Triads or the Man? Come stay at the (formerly) fabulous Chung King Mansions! The only hotel you can live in 24/7, get a job and raise a family in. In balmy Kowloon! Rooms start at $30. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XiRF1OOuw8&list=PL12CEAFFE67...

$30 is too much. I stayed there for $7-$10. Hint: negotiate in languages other than English, yes, tens of languages are spoken in that building, with "hoteliers" from every continent.

Re: Edward Snowden 'missing' in Hong Kong

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Post by Glide » Tue, Jun 11, 2013, 3:32 AM UTC

Spooky23 wrote: post #72

cpleppert wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Booz Allen said he was an employee for less than three months. That sounds really interesting, I thought he would have worked there for longer since he claims he was planning this for a long time and the reporter said he was in contact for months. If you read what the Wash Post reporter said Snowden tried to get him to release the entire slide deck. Why couldn't he put it on the internet? It is also interesting to me…

In other government/megacorp settings, contractors can end up staying in the same position for years working for different companies. Back in the early 2000's I worked for a State government where some of the contractors had been around for twenty years working for Digital, IBM, Dell, HP, a half dozen companies you never heard of, etc. There tends to be a small world around big organizations, as social proof is impor…

I'll just throw in my two cents: It seems pretty simple from my point of view. People switch between companies that win bids and contracts. Those companies now need to staff and they staff with the people from the companies that lost bids. The people that are picked up happen to know the systems that they're dealing with.

Also word gets around to which contractors look "hot" compared to others. They start getting resumes from people looking to jump ship.

Combine that with laws that stipulate some amount of contracting money must go to small minority owned businesses... yeah.

Re: Edward Snowden 'missing' in Hong Kong

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Re: Edward Snowden 'missing' in Hong Kong

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Post by mpyne » Tue, Jun 11, 2013, 3:43 AM UTC

Steko wrote: post #53

olefoo wrote: post #32

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Anwar-alAlaqui was a lot closer to being an Alex Jones, or Glenn Beck type of figure than being some terrorist mastermind; he was basically killed for calling for spiritual struggle against the United States Government. There's not much in the way of evidence that he was more than a loudmouth with a youtube channel. And while I wouldn't feel to broken up if Glenn Beck's RV were taken out in the parking lot of the Pre…

"There's not much in the way of evidence that he was more than a loudmouth with a youtube channel." That he recruited and trained Abdulmutallab (underwear bomber) alone puts him several categories out of "loudmouth" status. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/world/middleeast/anwar-al-...

And also IIRC he had contact with Major Nidal Hasan before Hasan killed all those soldiers at Ft. Hood.

PSYOPS is a military specialty just as much as shooting rifles and digging ditches...

Re: Edward Snowden 'missing' in Hong Kong

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Post by snogglethorpe » Tue, Jun 11, 2013, 4:11 AM UTC

ScottBurson wrote: post #31

jjtheblunt wrote: post #25

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"Reveal" is a verb, not noun, historically; that said, it seems many are copying many others, to cast reveal as a noun. Random observation.

It's odd, isn't it? -- Considering we have this perfectly good noun "revelation", whose connotations are, to my mind, more than apt. Oh well.

I don't think the words are equivalent. "Reveal" (as a noun, like it or not... :] ) carries connotations of showiness and intentional manufactured drama; it's the explicit act of making information available. A "revelation" on the other hand, is something that just happens, a sudden awareness of information (which may have previously been available).

Re: Edward Snowden 'missing' in Hong Kong

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Post by mercurialohearn » Tue, Jun 11, 2013, 4:16 AM UTC

jjtheblunt wrote: post #25

quackerhacker wrote: post #5

So far all of his decisions have been very well calculated. I think this is apart of his reveal, to either keep the focus on the story, or maintain some type of safety and appear to have disappeared into China's intelligence agency....the real point I think is to keep the focus on the reveal.

"Reveal" is a verb, not noun, historically; that said, it seems many are copying many others, to cast reveal as a noun. Random observation.

I'm veering dangerously away from the topic with this, but according to Henry Hitchings, "'Reveal' has been used as a noun since the 16th century. Even in its narrow broadcasting context, as a term for the final revelation at the end of a show, it has been around since the 1950s."

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/author/henry-hitchings/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Hitchings

Just thought I'd throw my two cents in on that, since the history of English is a particular interest of mine.

Re: Edward Snowden 'missing' in Hong Kong

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Post by tzs » Tue, Jun 11, 2013, 5:11 AM UTC

Why would anyone who worked at NSA and is publicly known to have had a very high security clearance go to Hong Kong in the first place? Wouldn't Chinese intelligence agencies love to get a hold of such a person and interrogate him?

Re: Edward Snowden 'missing' in Hong Kong

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Post by quackerhacker » Tue, Jun 11, 2013, 5:36 AM UTC

einhverfr wrote: post #59

quackerhacker wrote: post #5

So far all of his decisions have been very well calculated. I think this is apart of his reveal, to either keep the focus on the story, or maintain some type of safety and appear to have disappeared into China's intelligence agency....the real point I think is to keep the focus on the reveal.

Indeed. This is not someone I would want to be wagering my modest chess skills against. His choices have been extremely well calculated, with a clear understanding of what is being sacrificed every step of the way. He gave an interview which may have been enough for folks with sources to figure out which hotel he was staying at. Checking out and going to an undisclosed location makes perfect sense. Additionally the c…

He planed this really well, I've been almost more facisnated with his execution then the story.

One if the most amazing things that some may not know (if you look through my submissions - I only have 3), he pressured the Post to publish by going to the Guardian. Even the Post consulted gov officials (which is understandable) prior to publishing.

If he continued to stay at that hotel, it would of been his folly I believe. I'm sure his anxiety level is off the charts, so to stick to these well calculated decisions is almost like hearing a Jason Bourne action flick.