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Re: Mac Pro

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Post by snuze »

ScottBurson wrote: post #331
rsync wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for that tip. I might just do that. Perhaps reload my mac pro with snow leopard one last time, get another year or so out of it, and then "switch" to linux on an old school workstation like this. Hate to abandon all of my mac VMs, though. I don't think a non-mac vmware host can run mac VM guests... without a lot of mucking around, that is...

I'm fairly sure I've seen people run OS X as a vmWare guest on either Windows or Linux.

Yup, I've run OSX as a vmWare guest on Windows. It's possible and it works.

Re: Mac Pro

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Post by oblique63 »

duncan_bayne wrote: post #341
codex wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are critiques of Apple's other products and software, but none of them apply to this specific hardware. Are there specific criticisms of this Mac Pro hardware?

These are critiques of Apple. In buying a Mac Pro, you're lending financial support to a company that does the things spelled out in those articles.

I don't know why you're getting downvoted, this is an objective trend that you're pointing out and it's a legitimate basis to use for predicting the style of any future Apple device. A company's product launches aren't discrete probabilistic events like tosses of a coin -- they tend to follow patterns...

[Edit]: Man, I didn't even say I supported/cared about this manufacturing aspect (hint: I don't) and I'm already getting downvoted... Considering all the controversial things I've said on this site that hadn't earned me a negative score before, this doesn't exactly shed a positive light on Apple proponents. It's OK to not care about a certain aspect/political issue, but the guy's argument was a sound one, at least give him/her that much.

Re: Mac Pro

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Post by wmf »

ScottBurson wrote: post #326

They go on and on about the memory bandwidth , but never mention what is to me the important number: the memory capacity . Anyone know?

128 very expensive GB.

Re: Mac Pro

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Post by thejosh »

ScottBurson wrote: post #331
rsync wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for that tip. I might just do that. Perhaps reload my mac pro with snow leopard one last time, get another year or so out of it, and then "switch" to linux on an old school workstation like this. Hate to abandon all of my mac VMs, though. I don't think a non-mac vmware host can run mac VM guests... without a lot of mucking around, that is...

I'm fairly sure I've seen people run OS X as a vmWare guest on either Windows or Linux.

You can get VMWare Workstation to run Mountain Lion if you have Intel hardware. It's a bit harder for other hardware.

It ran pretty well last time I ran it, good enough for iOS testing.

Re: Mac Pro

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Post by kekumu »

codex wrote: post #338
duncan_bayne wrote: post #335

It's disturbing to see so many people drooling over this hardware. Granted, it's tasty-looking, but: - http://www.defectivebydesign.org/apple - http://www.ifixit.com/blog/2011/01/20/apples-diabolical-plan... - http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2337939,00.asp Give some thought to the above before buying an Apple device, please.

These are critiques of Apple's other products and software, but none of them apply to this specific hardware. Are there specific criticisms of this Mac Pro hardware?

All of the articles are about Apple's proprietary lock-in and difficulty in making your own repairs. This definitely looks like more proprietary form factors and parts to me - I think it's safe to say this will be a definite downgrade in terms of an iFixit score.

Re: Mac Pro

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Post by codex »

oblique63 wrote: post #352
duncan_bayne wrote: post #341

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are critiques of Apple. In buying a Mac Pro, you're lending financial support to a company that does the things spelled out in those articles.

I don't know why you're getting downvoted, this is an objective trend that you're pointing out and it's a legitimate basis to use for predicting the style of any future Apple device. A company's product launches aren't discrete probabilistic events like tosses of a coin -- they tend to follow patterns... [Edit]: Man, I didn't even say I supported/cared about this manufacturing aspect (hint: I don't) and I'm already g…

I think some people get tired of repeated comments by geek-liberal activists coming out of the woodwork to attack Apple, when, in reality, very few people share their particular perspective. "Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system!"

Re: Mac Pro

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Post by l33tbro »

toufka wrote: post #216
jroseattle wrote: post #122

First thing I noticed was all the dark -- what, did someone turn off all the lights? Where's the white that has dominated Apple material for so long? But hey, give Tim Cook some credit here. This is literally the first significant product release during his tenure as CEO where the major elements of the update weren't simply screen-size or resolution. I don't have a lot of confidence this is earth-shattering, but it w…

Classically, White has been consumer grade and black has been the professional grade in Apple design. See iPhoto vs Aperture, or iMovie vs Final Cut Pro. The Macbooks were all white, while the pros were (admittedly not black, but) metallic. I don't think it is that much of a change from what they've already projected out there.

This rule was left behind some time ago. Eg, Macbooks are also silver - even the Air. Obviously Iphones are both black and white, regardless of features. But who knows, maybe the new tower is a throwback to the old days?

Re: Mac Pro

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Post by duncan_bayne »

codex wrote: post #356
oblique63 wrote: post #352

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know why you're getting downvoted, this is an objective trend that you're pointing out and it's a legitimate basis to use for predicting the style of any future Apple device. A company's product launches aren't discrete probabilistic events like tosses of a coin -- they tend to follow patterns... [Edit]: Man, I didn't even say I supported/cared about this manufacturing aspect (hint: I don't) and I'm already g…

I think some people get tired of repeated comments by geek-liberal activists coming out of the woodwork to attack Apple, when, in reality, very few people share their particular perspective. "Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system!"

Obligatory: http://xkcd.com/743/

In all seriousness, this is a real problem in IT. People see shiny new products, and focus on the shininess, not the ethics behind it.

E.g. reviews of new Android devices that so rarely investigate whether the manufacturer is abiding by the terms of the GPL.

Re: Mac Pro

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Post by kunai »

duncan_bayne wrote: post #335

It's disturbing to see so many people drooling over this hardware. Granted, it's tasty-looking, but: - http://www.defectivebydesign.org/apple - http://www.ifixit.com/blog/2011/01/20/apples-diabolical-plan... - http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2337939,00.asp Give some thought to the above before buying an Apple device, please.

Those links are largely sensationalism. I don't agree with everything Apple does, but it's certainly not as bad as how those articles portray it to be. To call GateKeeper "DRM" is absurd, and having non-upgradeable hardware is a design choice, not a diabolical plan.

Unless you can show me a non-biased, non-partisan view of how Apple is the worst tech company to buy from, I'll continue to enjoy my MacBook Air.

Re: Mac Pro

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Post by hornetblack »

jiggy2011 wrote: post #5

When I clicked on that page and saw "The future of desktop computing.." and that trash can slide into view I actually thought it was supposed to be a metaphor.

I've nicknamed it the Dustbin. As the air intake is on the bottom.

It can fit on your desk... Well it will have to in order for it not to replace my vacuum cleaner.

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