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Re: I'm Ready To Help NSA Whistleblower Edward Snowden Seek Asylum

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have more information about this theory? The discussion has been so one-sided, I feel obligated to seek other interpretations.

I haven't found any interesting information. Apparently this theory is being speculated on CNN (as I said, neither interesting, nor information...) http://www.mediaite.com/tv/former-cia-officer-officials-cons...

Sounds like the smear campaign begins early this time... Where's the evidence?

Re: I'm Ready To Help NSA Whistleblower Edward Snowden Seek Asylum

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Slightly off-topic question, but why did he not just go to Iceland in the first place? Hong Kong does not seem like the best destination here.

A competing theory is that he is actually spying for the PRC. Hong Kong would be an obvious choice for a wealthy, Western spy seeking Chinese protection. They're semi-autonomous, but military affairs are run by the PRC, and in particular the PRC has control over foreign extradition: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-h... If this wasn't a priori the best theory, surely the HK part adds some Ba…

China is also not afraid of the US. That does help a bit. If he was working for the PRC. His safest bet would be China.

Next would probably be the middle east or Korea.

Re: I'm Ready To Help NSA Whistleblower Edward Snowden Seek Asylum

#43
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have more information about this theory? The discussion has been so one-sided, I feel obligated to seek other interpretations.

I haven't found any interesting information. Apparently this theory is being speculated on CNN (as I said, neither interesting, nor information...) http://www.mediaite.com/tv/former-cia-officer-officials-cons...

That sounds more like a smear campaing, although I kinda want it to just be a chinese propaganda coup against the US.

Re: I'm Ready To Help NSA Whistleblower Edward Snowden Seek Asylum

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post #8

Slightly off-topic question, but why did he not just go to Iceland in the first place? Hong Kong does not seem like the best destination here.

I thought it was fairly shrewd - any kind of "extra-legal" action against him in Hong Kong would almost certainly piss China off, and they're really the only tiger that the US isn't in a hurry to get into a wrestling match with.

A hit on Snowden in Hong Kong would be an immense international diplomatic incident. A hit on him in Iceland would be a flash in the pan (what's Iceland going to do about it?). My hunch is that he's banking on diplomatic tensions between China and the US to shield him.

Hong Kong puts him under China's diplomatic shield without necessarily directly exposing him to the PRC's equivalent of the NSA, who I'm sure are eager to get their hands on him.

Re: I'm Ready To Help NSA Whistleblower Edward Snowden Seek Asylum

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post #33

On an unrelated note, there's this petition on the White House website, in need of signatures : https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/pardon-edward-snow...

Does anyone actually believe that that'll have any positive impact on this situation whatsoever?

Maybe I'm just jaded, but "clicktivism" seems like it's just about the least valuable way you could possibly make a political statement.

Re: I'm Ready To Help NSA Whistleblower Edward Snowden Seek Asylum

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The funny thing is, if the US had only treated Bradley Manning 'decently' (ie. as they would any other criminal suspect), the case for asylum would be exceedingly poor - he openly admits to committing a crime, and that simply isn't grounds for asylum. But the Bradley Manning case shows that those under prosecution for that kind of crime will be subjected to 'extra-legal' treatment that it can well be argued amounts to 'persecution' (which is the requirement in the UN convention on refugees).

Re: I'm Ready To Help NSA Whistleblower Edward Snowden Seek Asylum

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post #11
post #8

Slightly off-topic question, but why did he not just go to Iceland in the first place? Hong Kong does not seem like the best destination here.

A competing theory is that he is actually spying for the PRC. Hong Kong would be an obvious choice for a wealthy, Western spy seeking Chinese protection. They're semi-autonomous, but military affairs are run by the PRC, and in particular the PRC has control over foreign extradition: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-h... If this wasn't a priori the best theory, surely the HK part adds some Ba…

You forgot the Bayseian weight of negative one million, for revealing his identity and what he's been doing to the international press.

Re: I'm Ready To Help NSA Whistleblower Edward Snowden Seek Asylum

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post #40
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More likely, he could be flying somewhere and the plane either enters US airspace, or has to make an emergency (real or not) landing in the US.

Do you think passengers involved in an emergency landing go through immigration and customs? Can they shop at the duty free store as well?

I don't know what's supposed to happen.

Do you think federal agents of some flavor would pass up the arrest? I think they'd do it no matter what, and then a judge will give them a stern talking to and uphold the arrest. At best the guy would be in prison for years pre-trial, possibly convicted and prison, and then when his useful life is over he'll win a Supreme Court challenge. Chilling effect served.

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