Yeah, it was Obama. He did it by himself. He just turned his evil black man powers on the internet industry and just blacked it all up. He did this because he is the entire federal government.
Jesus.
Did Obama Just Destroy the U.S. Internet Industry?
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#242Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let's hope so. The sooner the US gets marginalized and put on the shelf internationally, the sooner the world will become a safer place to live.
So those fleets of warships keeping shipping lanes open and free from pirate activity have done nothing for safety? I'm not saying america is perfect, but if we scale back our navy for example, there is going to have to be a lot of slack for other countries to pick up. And that means costs rising and more taxes for others. As well as the chance of increased conflict. The world isn't so cut and dry as you make it out…
There will be costs to all of us, but at some point the US is costing more than it's saving us. I think we must be close to that point if not already past it.
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#243Nothing will change. If you think that those involved were not prepared for the eventually of a leak, you'd be very naive. The fact that all of these companies have been sitting on boilerplate denial statements speaks volumes. Contingency plans have been put in place for this eventuality and the people making these plans are experts at dealing with these situations. My guess is that the gameplan for the US government…
You don't care. I don't care. The EU companies which are running systems on US-based SAS platforms care.
That's an assumption. The fact remains, the ability to move to other countries is a fallacy in that the rest are looking at or are implementing very similar strategies.
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#244Most of the comments are concerning politics and very little are concern the economics of smaller companies and individuals rejecting services from Amazon, Google and Microsoft.
(Microsoft's TechEd had a big push towards Azure this last week. Their timing sucks... Sorry about their bad luck...)
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#245It's odd, I hear people saying, "no big deal, nothing will change." But then I wonder, if you're saying it's no big deal, are you an American or not? The point of this pst is that foreign business will be affected, AFAICT, Europeans have always held the Internet to a stricter standard than Americans and have passed stricter laws around everything from what data can be retained to the behaviour of tracking cookies. If…
Europeans tend to have higher standards for protecting the privacy of the personal data of their citizens from access and use by private corporations. But what the U.S. NSA is doing is sifting data for connections to foreigners who are suspected of being terrorists. I would be shocked if Euro intelligence agencies are not doing the same thing.
At least Sweden is openly telling that FRA is allowed to legally monitor all international network traffic.
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#247Earlier quoted context omitted.
protection (from harm) is a right granted by the government.
Yes, but that you can identify one right that governments can/should afford non-citizens and citizens alike doesn't mean that's true of all rights. Venomsnake was trying to identify the kind of right that it should be true for. As a British citizen I have a right to not be tortured by the government (under A.3 HRA1998), and a right to NHS healthcare. The former (a negative right) is one the government should afford t…
Maybe they should, but they usually don't.
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At least in most countries, this is just not the way it works, legally. Every country has different rights for citizens and non-citizens. For example, the US has held the 4th amendment does not apply to non-citizens who are not "part of the national community" (IE if a bunch of canadians came down and fished every weekend, you could search them however without violating the 4th amendment. If they lived here illegally…
> Every country has different rights for citizens and non-citizens. The rights are inherent in the nature of the situation (i.e., humans living in a social order based on equality of individuals under the law). The scope of the protection of those rights varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction (and vanishes entirely where jurisprudence is slave to political demagoguery). The fourth Amendment isn't the source of the…
Your assertion is essentially that all of these rights are natural rights.
This is, as I said, an interesting claim.
I'll point out the irony that the freedoms everyone considers so important didn't even make it in the original document, only the addendum :)
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Absolutely. I remember how in 2001 when the US as the first country ever invoked article 5 of the NATO treaty, within hours all NATO members had followed through with support. And the minute of silence that was held all over Europe for the 9/11 victims. Then we joined them in two wars. We bought their cell phones, their operating systems and productivity suites, their internet adds, hosting and email services and mov…
>allies No, we're vassals. The USA orders and we obey, whether it's supporting their military machine or handing over information, people, research, or economical advantages. It's a hegemony. >the misdeeds that seems to have returned from the dark ages You've been fed propaganda. The crimes have always been there. The USA has always supported tyranny, cruelty, and crimes against humanity if it served its best interes…
The poor helpless Europeans, laboring under the yoke of their North American oppressors. Exactly what method is being used to relieve you of your responsibility for your own country?
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I can't speak for others, but as far as I am concerned, every person on earth has the exact same rights. I see no difference between an American and someone from another country. This informs my stance on all of US foreign policy. To me, spying on an innocent Iraqi or Chinese citizen is just as morally reprehensible as spying on an innocent American citizen. That being said, not all people feel as I do, and you are r…
At least in most countries, this is just not the way it works, legally. Every country has different rights for citizens and non-citizens. For example, the US has held the 4th amendment does not apply to non-citizens who are not "part of the national community" (IE if a bunch of canadians came down and fished every weekend, you could search them however without violating the 4th amendment. If they lived here illegally…
>>Every country has different rights for citizens and non-citizens.
And in some they are almost entirely equal if not better. (Social security, but it's a bit over the top here :/)
Well they can't vote of course, but that's about it.