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Re: WWDC 2013 Expectations

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Post by coldtea »

dman wrote: post #22
kunai wrote: post #9

I hope we see a modern, case-sensitive filesystem, for once, without resource or data forks of any kind. Second, I hope we see better graphics, new OpenGL is a must. Third, maybe a fresher UI similar to iTunes 11, would be nice. Aqua is dated. That's all I hope for. Just wait for it, the announcement is tomorrow. It's only 21 hours away... just wait.

+1 for newer opengl. 3.2 is from 2009 :(

So? Any particular thing you're missing in the desktop from OpenGL 4.x?

Do people really play that many games on their Macs? And do they think 3.2 vs 4.x would make that much a difference?

And it's not like 2009 is that back. If you want to see real pain, see us web people not being able to use 5+ year old CSS technologies without tricks because of lack of support, and having to use an almost unchanged for 15+ years JS language.

Re: WWDC 2013 Expectations

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Post by kunai »

coldtea wrote: post #41
kunai wrote: post #9

I hope we see a modern, case-sensitive filesystem, for once, without resource or data forks of any kind. Second, I hope we see better graphics, new OpenGL is a must. Third, maybe a fresher UI similar to iTunes 11, would be nice. Aqua is dated. That's all I hope for. Just wait for it, the announcement is tomorrow. It's only 21 hours away... just wait.

> I hope we see a modern, case-sensitive filesystem, for once, without resource or data forks of any kind. How is a "case-sensitive" filesystem more ...modern? Case-sensitivity has fewer edge cases (I'll give you that, especially concerning Unicode), but it's really just us bending over to the way the computer sees files instead of the way people think about them. The files "accounts.xls" and "Accounts.xls" are not c…

When I switched to OS X from Linux, case sensitivity was a thing I missed dearly. I know that it's a fringe feature, and that even I don't use it much, but it irks me that it isn't there, especially when both ext4 and NTFS have it.

It's more important considering Time Machine backups and actual UNIX moving and copying of files, and this is also where resource/data forks are also a huge burden. Unless OS X implements a different cp and mv than the standard FreeBSD ones, just implementing a filesystem without forking could be a solution. Also, case sensitivity is affected the same way.

For the normal user, it's fine to keep a case-preserving filesystem. But, Apple needs to make sure developers write their apps with case-sensitivity in mind (I'm looking at YOU, Adobe).

Re: WWDC 2013 Expectations

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Post by kunai »

seethisyeah wrote: post #37
danpalmer wrote: post #6

I'm not sure if Apple did a good job at keeping secrets, or whether there isn't anything to keep a secret about? We're expecting new software, but that's easy for Apple to keep under wraps as it doesn't really have to be used outside Cupertino, unlike manufactured products like an iPhone. Nothing abnormally secret there. We're expecting new MacBooks, but the rumour is a move to Haswell, which would only be a spec bum…

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Sensationalism on Hacker News... interesting.

Re: WWDC 2013 Expectations

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Post by frugalmail »

mikehc wrote: post #18
ancarda wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be interested to know what areas jumped out as "fanboy-ish" to you.

"No, Apple did not invent the touchscreen. But the iPhone... It was the first touchscreen device that mattered." There you go.

Palm pilot was probably the first usable device.

Re: WWDC 2013 Expectations

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Post by jstevens85 »

wvenable wrote: post #40
gurkendoktor wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Haskell and VMs are not against the App Store rules at all, you just cannot JIT anything. The ban against non-C languages was only in place long enough to scare Adobe away.

That's not true. An app cannot run code not part of the original app package. This was a huge problem for projects like the Commodore 64 emulator.

Those rules were relaxed three years ago.

http://n4g.com/news/607824/apple-approves-manomios-c64-2-0-a...

Re: WWDC 2013 Expectations

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Post by nickmain »

wvenable wrote: post #40
gurkendoktor wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Haskell and VMs are not against the App Store rules at all, you just cannot JIT anything. The ban against non-C languages was only in place long enough to scare Adobe away.

That's not true. An app cannot run code not part of the original app package. This was a huge problem for projects like the Commodore 64 emulator.

There are many examples of programming language runtime apps, such as

Scheme: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/gambit-repl/id434534076

OCaml: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ocamlexample/id396515573

Python: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/python-3.3-for-ios/id5779112...

Codea (LUA): https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/codea/id439571171

What restricts these apps from being awesome is that they cannot download source code or accept source code pushed to them from other apps. Cut-n-paste is the only way to transfer existing code.

Re: WWDC 2013 Expectations

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Post by nairteashop »

cheald wrote: post #44
nairteashop wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of genuine curiosity, what touchscreen device would you say then was actually the first one that mattered? I assume by "mattered" Gruber meant mass market popularity, which IMO was mostly because Apple did get many things right in their touchscreen. (I owned a bunch of touchscreen devices before my first iPhone and they all sucked from a user experience perspective - missed taps, sluggish response, lack of multit…

I'd say that Palm manufactured a large number of "touchscreen devices that mattered" years before the iPhone. Just because it wasn't high-resolution and capacitive doesn't change the fact that for a long while, Palm Pilots were a staple of business.

Ah, fair point. The Palm didn't come to my mind because I didn't buy one - I personally felt that the device & the stylus-based interface were too clunky - but you're right, it was still a touchscreen device that mattered.

Re: WWDC 2013 Expectations

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Post by Tloewald »

kunai wrote: post #9

I hope we see a modern, case-sensitive filesystem, for once, without resource or data forks of any kind. Second, I hope we see better graphics, new OpenGL is a must. Third, maybe a fresher UI similar to iTunes 11, would be nice. Aqua is dated. That's all I hope for. Just wait for it, the announcement is tomorrow. It's only 21 hours away... just wait.

No data forks of an kind? The data fork of a file is ... the file. Mac OS X only supports resource forks as a legacy and I believe only through Carbon which is gone. Case sensitive file system? This is an advantage how? More modern how?

Re: WWDC 2013 Expectations

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Post by TerryBenn »

Tloewald wrote: post #19
wslh wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am happy if they add a share button like the Android one. It's a small wish but it's clear that Apple is falling behind in many areas except performance and battery life on tablets. Relaxing App Store rules to include programming languages/VMs will give a little boost to our community too. If I want to learn Haskell I want to do it on the iPad.

The way apps can interoperate in Android is definitely an advantage over iOS for developers, but it's a security/sandbox issue not a lack of capability in the OS. iOS hugely trails Android in malware... Coincidence? App Store allows programming languages and even VMs. It doesn't allow running externally sourced code.

Bullshit. Windows RT has similar app interoperability and significantly advanced share functionality when compared to iOS and yet has no 'security issue' nor 'malware'.

Re: WWDC 2013 Expectations

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Post by stevejohnson »

seethisyeah wrote: post #37
danpalmer wrote: post #6

I'm not sure if Apple did a good job at keeping secrets, or whether there isn't anything to keep a secret about? We're expecting new software, but that's easy for Apple to keep under wraps as it doesn't really have to be used outside Cupertino, unlike manufactured products like an iPhone. Nothing abnormally secret there. We're expecting new MacBooks, but the rumour is a move to Haswell, which would only be a spec bum…

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