Rand Paul would probably do a lot more good by learning how to think rationally.
That's all you've got? You feel free to call a man irrational, but provide nothing to support that position. Dare I say that comes across as belligerent ad hominem.
Rand Paul wants to lead a Supreme Court challenge to Feds' tracking of Americans
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Re: Rand Paul wants to lead a Supreme Court challenge to Feds' tracking of Americans
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
But Congress is filled with Democrats and RINOs, so that's a no-go. Of course, the Court is filled with know-nothings (as in, they are anti-abstraction, so there is no such thing as a valid governing principle, such as a right), so it's all probably pretty pointless.
How is being pro national security and strong police/intelligence a "RINO" position? That's a very traditional Republican position, dating back at least to the early 1950s and cold-war conservatism, and hardening in the 1960s/70s with conservatives' worries about the Vietnam protests, hippies, Black Panthers, and other groups they felt needed to be suppressed. Most Republican-appointed Supreme Court justices have ten…
The Tea Party faction of the GOP is a pretty vigorous libertarian movement-- Rand Paul is the most libertarian elected official of either party.
Re: Rand Paul wants to lead a Supreme Court challenge to Feds' tracking of Americans
#43Since he's a member of the Senate, a more direct route than the judicial branch would be to pursue legislative-branch solutions, such as introducing a bill to amend the FISA statute in a more civil-liberties-friendly manner.
He knows that a legislative branch approach will fail without making any waves what-so-ever. That's very obvious. Too many members of Congress are openly fascist in their beliefs when it comes to supporting the police state (eg Lindsey Graham and Dianne Feinstein).
The judicial branch approach is meant to spur action and interest on the part of citizens. It's meant to create waves. He's intentionally looking to bypass the legislative branch because the outcome there is already known.
Re: Rand Paul wants to lead a Supreme Court challenge to Feds' tracking of Americans
#44What amazes me is the hypocrisy in all this. The American people have basically known about this since about 2006. It's just that there wasn't as much proof or specifics but the media covered this and it was pretty much common knowledge that all phone calls and Internet activity were being watched. Of course that's not okay and I still get the current outrage. Totally understandable. But then there are the senators..…
Senators are not one person, which I suppose is why you're getting confused as to the contradiction. There are those like Obama who were for things like this, and those like Rand Paul who are against.
Re: Rand Paul wants to lead a Supreme Court challenge to Feds' tracking of Americans
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
How is being pro national security and strong police/intelligence a "RINO" position? That's a very traditional Republican position, dating back at least to the early 1950s and cold-war conservatism, and hardening in the 1960s/70s with conservatives' worries about the Vietnam protests, hippies, Black Panthers, and other groups they felt needed to be suppressed. Most Republican-appointed Supreme Court justices have ten…
The Tea Party faction of the GOP is a pretty vigorous libertarian movement-- Rand Paul is the most libertarian elected official of either party.
You must be thinking of a different "tea party faction" than the one I know. Because the one I know has been doing its damnedest to to elect "social conservatives" who support "traditional family values".
But yeah, they're pretty libertarian with respect to the liberties they like. Everything else can go.
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I don't understand why people accuse politicians of using politics. Isn't that like accusing a farmer of plowing a field?
Politicians can't get elected admitting they're politicians.
Yeah. That's one of the most absurd things about America: we force our public officials to lie, and then complain about it when they do.
Re: Rand Paul wants to lead a Supreme Court challenge to Feds' tracking of Americans
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Tea Party faction of the GOP is a pretty vigorous libertarian movement-- Rand Paul is the most libertarian elected official of either party.
You must be thinking of a different "tea party faction" than the one I know. Because the one I know has been doing its damnedest to to elect "social conservatives" who support "traditional family values". But yeah, they're pretty libertarian with respect to the liberties they like. Everything else can go.
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Re: Rand Paul wants to lead a Supreme Court challenge to Feds' tracking of Americans
#48I was surprised by Rand Paul's proposed bill "To stop the [NSA] from spying on citizens of the United
States":
http://www.paul.senate.gov/files/documents/EAS13699.pdf
The effective body is fairly direct: "The Fourth Amendment to the Constitution shall not be construed to allow any agency of the United States Government to search the phone records of Americans without a warrant based on probable cause."
What really surprised me was that it used the word "search", rather than, say, "collect". Given that we don't know what happened to the records gathered under Stellar Wind/RAGTIME, it's possible that the activity would still be legal under Paul's bill.
I'm curious whether this choice of wording was intentional or accidental.
Re: Rand Paul wants to lead a Supreme Court challenge to Feds' tracking of Americans
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Politicians can't get elected admitting they're politicians.
Yeah. That's one of the most absurd things about America: we force our public officials to lie, and then complain about it when they do.
In what other field do people apply for work by claiming to be not only ignorant of, but hostile to the job they're applying for? Everyone is Mister Smith going to Washington now, it's manufactured cynicism, and Americans seem to eat it up.
Re: Rand Paul wants to lead a Supreme Court challenge to Feds' tracking of Americans
#50What amazes me is the hypocrisy in all this. The American people have basically known about this since about 2006. It's just that there wasn't as much proof or specifics but the media covered this and it was pretty much common knowledge that all phone calls and Internet activity were being watched. Of course that's not okay and I still get the current outrage. Totally understandable. But then there are the senators..…
> It looks like a dog and pony show set up to make it look like someone gives a shit while they all keep getting briefed and voting for this stuff behind closed doors.
And also, this is yet another instance of where a politician has decided that only Americans have rights. At least mention a framework (reciprocity, normalized relations, something) under which surveillance of non-Americans would be allowed instead of making it a binary "You're either one of us or one of them!"