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Re: People with nothing to hide

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Post by miguelrochefort »

EliRivers wrote: post #49
miguelrochefort wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Read my reply to the first comment (the one asking for "personal" information).

So you want to choose what rules apply to you in any given context? Or is it just that you're happy to be told by the government what the rules are for each context?

I want society to be more open. People hide who they are because other people hide who they are. Being open in a society where everybody else only show their good side is detrimental to me. It gives a false image of reality.

I despise the government.

Re: People with nothing to hide

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Post by tripzilch »

miguelrochefort wrote: post #7
kefka wrote: post #2

Since you all have nothing to hide, please post the following: Name Address Phone # date of birth SS # credit card numbers+ expr dates+cvv Routing and account numbers for relevant bank accounts Logins/passwords to commonly used services Your security question/answer combos Pictures of all your keys on your keychain Well, unless, you're a terrorist and don't want to volunteer this info.

You don't seem to understand how this works. If you ask a nudist to get naked in a non-nudist environment, he's probably going to refuse. The same rules don't apply to every context. The world post-privacy is going to be totally different from the one we currently live in.

> The world post-privacy is going to be totally different from the one we currently live in.

Yeah check out NK for a sneak-preview. And they seem to be on schedule with the prison work camps as well.

Re: People with nothing to hide

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Post by miguelrochefort »

EliRivers wrote: post #65
miguelrochefort wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is sad that you (and most people here) prefer to live in a society where it's socially acceptable to hide who you truly are based on irrational fear of judgement, rather than be open and benefit from the improved communication which publicity offers. We learned to accept and tolerate most directly noticeable features of people. Maybe you don't want to communicate your skin color, your height, your gender or your l…

There's nothing irrational about fear of judgement. I do things that are completely legal that, if many other people knew I did them, would cause them to treat me differently, to my detriment. You seem to be saying that I shouldn't hide them. My choice is to stop doing something I like doing, or accept that people will judge me and I will be treated a little worse. Why? Why should I have to do that? Why can't I keep…

Is there a limit to hiding? Should we wear mask all the time, simply to avoid judgement? Why is it that we don't try to hide what is readily visible? Don't you think that it's because readily visible things are easier to accept and tolerate?

Privacy makes people think they're alone with their problems. If no one talk about theirs, I guess it's because they don't have any. Should we simply rely on stats to know we're not alone without knowing who is like us? Is anonymity the actual solution to privacy?

Re: People with nothing to hide

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Post by miguelrochefort »

qxcv wrote: post #27
miguelrochefort wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Privacy has no intrinsic value whatsoever. All it does is slow down those who can use information against people. To win, we must fight the threat (government). Privacy only gives us time, which itself won't solve anything.

> To win, we must fight the threat (government). Yes, because governments are the only entities that want your private data.

There's no such thing as "private data".

Re: People with nothing to hide

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Post by miguelrochefort »

greyman wrote: post #55
miguelrochefort wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Privacy has no intrinsic value whatsoever. All it does is slow down those who can use information against people. To win, we must fight the threat (government). Privacy only gives us time, which itself won't solve anything.

> Privacy has no intrinsic value whatsoever. I don't believe you seriously mean it.

I absolutely do.

Re: People with nothing to hide

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Post by miguelrochefort »

noerps wrote: post #63
miguelrochefort wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Privacy has no intrinsic value whatsoever. All it does is slow down those who can use information against people. To win, we must fight the threat (government). Privacy only gives us time, which itself won't solve anything.

The concept of privacy is inherent for dubio pro reo. If you take away or reduce privacy everybody is guilty by association - qed.

But then you can't jail everyone. That's where you stop living a lie and adapt laws to reality.

Re: People with nothing to hide

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Post by john_flintstone »

Questions for people with nothing to hide:

1. Have you ever had an abortion?

2. Have you ever cheated on your husband / wife?

3. Are you currently looking for a new job?

4. Have you ever being diagnosed with a mental illness?

5. Are you currently on anti-depressants?

6. Were you ever sexually abused as a child?

7. Have you ever fancied someone of the same sex?

8. Have you ever had sex with someone of the same sex?

9. Have you ever criticised your current employer or boss to anyone else?

10. Do you love all of your children equally?

11. Have you ever fantasized about...

12. Are you planning to get pregnant in the next two years?

13. Have you ever lied on a cv/resume?

14. Are you mean to your wife / husband on a regular or semi-regular basis?

15. Do you have trouble acquiring or maintaining an erection?

16. Are you one of those women who’ve never had an orgasm?

17. What prescription drugs are you currently taking?

18. Have you ever cut yourself?

19. Have you ever attempted suicide?

20. Have you contemplated suicide in the past 2 weeks?

21. Would you be happy with your answers to these questions being made public? Or being read by your employer, local 23 year old policeman, or nosey neighbour?

I could go on and on. None of the actions mentioned in these questions are illegal, but for many/most people, the answers would be intensely private.

Re: People with nothing to hide

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Post by khuey »

jedbrown wrote: post #36
baddox wrote: post #11

I also have no problem with those people willingly sending anyone any of their personal information. The problem is when people aren't given a choice whether their personal information is kept secret.

But the choice needs to be free, not coerced. Programs like Global Entry, TSA Pre, and CLEAR are examples of (minor) coercion, inconveniencing those who do not sign up.

Global Entry/PreCheck/Clear are pretty benign. The only information Global Entry requires that the government won't already have from tax records, DMV records, border records, etc for most citizens are fingerprints. I don't see it as much different than a drivers license/passport requiring a picture (for most people that's going to be the only way the government gets a picture of them on file).

Re: People with nothing to hide

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Post by EliRivers »

miguelrochefort wrote: post #74
EliRivers wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's nothing irrational about fear of judgement. I do things that are completely legal that, if many other people knew I did them, would cause them to treat me differently, to my detriment. You seem to be saying that I shouldn't hide them. My choice is to stop doing something I like doing, or accept that people will judge me and I will be treated a little worse. Why? Why should I have to do that? Why can't I keep…

Is there a limit to hiding? Should we wear mask all the time, simply to avoid judgement? Why is it that we don't try to hide what is readily visible? Don't you think that it's because readily visible things are easier to accept and tolerate? Privacy makes people think they're alone with their problems. If no one talk about theirs, I guess it's because they don't have any. Should we simply rely on stats to know we're…

Don't you think that it's because readily visible things are easier to accept and tolerate?

No, I don't. I think it's because significant differences we can easily see have already been exterminated. Zero privacy does not bode well for the continued existence of differences.

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