What are they alleging he did?
Hacker Who Helped Expose Steubenville Could Get More Prison Time Than Rapists
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
While I'm no cop and such actions are concerning to me - let me play devil's advocate. If you have to train a group of men to apprehend a wide variety of suspects/fugitives/badguys in a manner that is fast, effective, and as safe as possible, it makes sense that you keep the procedures, tactics, and equipment used consistent. After all, pointing an M16 at someone wont hurt them any more than pointing a .38 special at…
All of that makes sense under the premise that the SWAT team should be used to apprehend an individual which is not know to be part of any criminal group nor has committed a violent act.
I suspect they wanted to get in very quickly, but I think it might have made more sense to send two guys to wait for him to come out of his house rather than send 12 to kick in his door. I have limits as to how far I can argue their point. It does seem somewhat excessive. But you never know the details.
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not just "journalists or bloggers" who do that; the government will often quote the maximum possible when discussing the case as well, in order to intimidate the defendant into a plea bargain.
The government at least mentions that it's a maximum sentence. There's no other specific number they can quote anyways, it's not like they know what the judge and jury might approve that far ahead of time.
A more ethical group of prosecutors than we have (recruited, perhaps, among the sea pirates, slave traders, and drug kingpins of the world?), wouldn't make speculative statements about sentencing at all, much less to the media.
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can understand this approach to a drug baron or armed fugitive, but to a hacker? Really 'merica? Way to go killing that fly with a sledge hammer!
While you never know who's armed and who's not, in these cases they're probably just as worried about the destruction of evidence - a polite knock on the door and an 'excuse me, sir, we're the FBI' might give him time to erase or destroy something.
In this circumstance, police used to just detain the guy after he left for work, or after the whole family went out to eat. Very few houses are occupied 24 hours a day.
The problem with that policy was that police didn't get to shoot enough dogs.
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#45OK, this sounds pedantic, but "Convicted for Longer"* is not accurate...you're not convicted for a period of time, you're convicted and then sentenced to a period of jail time, or probation. And of course, as we all know from the Aaron Swartz coverage, " could serve for as long as..." is different than " actually serve a sentence of [xy] ears". But the most relevant quibble is this: a father who beats these rapists w…
I think we should be aware that there may be unpleasant consequences...
Or as I like to put it, something about having your cake and eating it. We can't demand the administration turn a blind eye here, and rage at that same administration when they turn a blind eye there.
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
"was assaulted by" was raped by FTFY. Let's not mince words here. This was not merely assault (which can describe something as mild as a punch or a shove). This was rape, committed by multiple parties, followed by degradation on camera for others to see. And, the girl was so drunk/drugged that she probably should have been seen by a doctor...instead the people around her took it as an opportunity to prey upon her.
I meant "sexually assaulted", not simply "assaulted". I didn't omit the word as part of some pro-rape agenda. Anyway, I can't edit it now, unfortunately. Sexual assault generally means "unwanted penetration" (legally), which includes whatever happened here (unclear exactly from the articles I read).
I didn't omit the word as part of some pro-rape agenda
I'm not sure it's worth your time to contend this. The debate surrounding rape is very if-you-arent-with-us-youre-against-us, so too often it seems it's already a lost battle.
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#47I imagine that he faces charges, not specifically for crimes committed to out the rapists, but possibly for a number of other illegal activities related to hacking. That one of his deeds ended up resulting in outing bad people, does not mean that he is always so conscious or on the side of good.
Unless more information comes to light, you're just slandering the guy. The assumption at this point is that he was arrested at multiple M16 assault rifle gunpoints because of his involvement in hacking into Jim Parks's fansite. http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/01/inside-anony... ;
Because he starred in the video which someone else already admitted to posting.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
The government at least mentions that it's a maximum sentence. There's no other specific number they can quote anyways, it's not like they know what the judge and jury might approve that far ahead of time.
A more ethical group of prosecutors than we have (recruited, perhaps, among the sea pirates, slave traders, and drug kingpins of the world?), wouldn't make speculative statements about sentencing at all , much less to the media.
Because obviously allowing the media to make speculative statements with are completely unfounded is much better than at least tempering with fact. OK.
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#49Priorities, our masters sure got them.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
| While you never know who's armed and who's not This may be true, but if the person has no history of violence, isn't wanted for a violent offence, has no registered firearms, and is not known to have any radical anti-government / Michigan Militia-type views, then there is probably no reason for such an armed assault. | in these cases they're probably just as worried | about the destruction of evidence So a group of…
"Registered firearms" in a nation with the 2nd Amendment? Even in states that require it I wouldn't trust that info with my life. :) And either way I don't see why you'd not be OK with rifles but would be OK with handguns. Once you're OK with the arresting officers being armed the rest is just a matter of degree.
Only five states require firearms registration (as opposed to the near-universal, one-time federal background check at purchase).