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NSA slides explain the PRISM data-collection program

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Re: NSA slides explain the PRISM data-collection program

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Post by PavlovsCat »

arindone wrote: post #31
o0-0o wrote: post #23

Link to delete Google Account: https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/32046?hl=en

I don't think this is helpful or productive -- it's not the companies at fault, but rather the government that is making this compulsory.

They lend their face and their bullshit smile to the government towards which many people have a much more healthy distrust. I agree that this doesn't make them the main culprit, but they don't get to completely wash their hands of it either. Big (monstrously huge, actually) corporations make the job of tyrannical governments much easier; how about we chop them into more manageable bits without having personally hard feeling towards them, and deal with the government(s) at the same time?

Re: NSA slides explain the PRISM data-collection program

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Post by alan_cx »

cpeterso wrote: post #25

I'm not sure why this is a big surprise to anyone. I'm a cynic, but if anyone asked me whether I think the NSA, CIA, or FBI are eavesdropping on personal communications, I would say, "of course they are." This is nothing new: ECHELON, Clipper/Skipjack, Carnivore, ...

How many times does some one have to say this? I'm sorry, but this sort of comment is getting pretty tiresome.

Yes we all "knew". All of us "knew". Some of us have "known" for something like 15 years. (Which, BTW, is why I'm most sure why Obama is getting so much flack. Its a Clinton - Bush - Obama scandal.)

But none of us, not one, actually did know anything at all. We suspected, or assumed. But we did not know. Not unless one of us is working for the NSA, etc, etc. (Ironic if I have just picked on the one poster who is)

Now we do know. It is absolute. No doubt, no shouting down, we know.

There is a huge difference: Before we were written off as conspiracy nuts jobs. Now we have certain knowledge.

Im not picking on you personally. Your post is one of many in the past couple of days. As such I have not down voted you, that would be unfair. But please, can people stop with this sort of comment? We all know we "knew".

Re: NSA slides explain the PRISM data-collection program

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Post by alan_cx »

apl002 wrote: post #35
burntsushi wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess I'm not so surprised that it's happening and I'm more surprised with the transition from "yeah it definitely looks like they're doing it" to "we have hard evidence that they're doing it."

totally agree. I always thought the government was doing this but now its front of me, its a whole new shitty feeling.

Indeed. I some how feel like the internet has just been stained.

Re: NSA slides explain the PRISM data-collection program

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Post by refurb »

j2d3 wrote: post #30
o0-0o wrote: post #19

I-M-P-E-A-C-H

oh please. like this has a thing to do with POTUS. I worked at an ISP in 1998 when we were contacted by the FBI and required to install carnivore. This has been going on a very long time.

Would have you said that if this had happened 6 years ago and Bush was still in office?

Re: NSA slides explain the PRISM data-collection program

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Post by alan_cx »

CodeFoo wrote: post #38
rasterizer wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is Google being singled out? atleast they are among the ones denieing this report: http://marketingland.com/google-apple-facebook-deny-nsa-pris... And why are you omitting Apple from the title while listing Google twice (YouTube)? and what the hell is "msn" and "y"?

He probably has an agenda against Google. It's very common on HN. HN hates Google, but loves Apple and Facebook.

Oh dear, really? Honestly, that is so far off the mark its insane.

If HN hates google, then it has ninjas after Apple and Facebook.

Re: NSA slides explain the PRISM data-collection program

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Post by PavlovsCat »

eightyone wrote: post #24
o0-0o wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, in my haste to post I only listed the ones that I thought of right away. I was quite disappointed to hear the Apple too, has succomb. Now I really have a reason to install Debian Wheezy on MBPr. ;p This is no way to live. Something must be done.

Does Debian (or any Linux distro for that matter) support HDPI displays without looking awful?

At least with KDE you can define sizes for a whole lot of things, I guess that should help. (I like OpenSUSE by the way, it gets slicker and slicker all the time)

Re: NSA slides explain the PRISM data-collection program

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Post by wyck »

It's no coincidence this is called PRISM.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beam_splitter

Some parts of this technology are actual prisms (several patents pop-up via google) , this might remove all parties legally speaking.

Furthermore these can be installed fairly easily without anyone really knowing, though some physical access is required.

The same technique was used in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A and pretty much all over every pipe, including the one this data went throught to show up on Hacker News.

Re: NSA slides explain the PRISM data-collection program

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Post by digitalboss »

What really shocks me is why wouldn't a technologist/coder / etc - Whisteblow this sort of information. Why would they sit behind a computer, deploy/design such software, and not have some concern, and go public with this?

This is not about the "NSA, CIA, or FBI" - it's about those other companies enabling those gov agencies to gather such information, why doesn't someone from those companies speak up that deploys this software?

Is it really about $$$? Is it the same reason programmers create SPAM bots?

SOOooooo, which one of you geeks wrote the code to track call data, then wrote a script to export the data to the NSA - THEN you didn't tell the rest of tech community.

DISAPPOINTED IN YOU

Re: NSA slides explain the PRISM data-collection program

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Post by digitalboss »

CodeFoo wrote: post #38
rasterizer wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is Google being singled out? atleast they are among the ones denieing this report: http://marketingland.com/google-apple-facebook-deny-nsa-pris... And why are you omitting Apple from the title while listing Google twice (YouTube)? and what the hell is "msn" and "y"?

He probably has an agenda against Google. It's very common on HN. HN hates Google, but loves Apple and Facebook.

Go back to Techcrunch please.
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