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I don't think this is helpful or productive -- it's not the companies at fault, but rather the government that is making this compulsory.
NSA slides explain the PRISM data-collection program
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#32Link to delete Google Account: https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/32046?hl=en
Why stop at Google? Here's Facebook too:
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#33Link to delete Google Account: https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/32046?hl=en
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#34Link to delete Google Account: https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/32046?hl=en
Why is Google being singled out? atleast they are among the ones denieing this report: http://marketingland.com/google-apple-facebook-deny-nsa-pris...
And why are you omitting Apple from the title while listing Google twice (YouTube)? and what the hell is "msn" and "y"?
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#35I'm not sure why this is a big surprise to anyone. I'm a cynic, but if anyone asked me whether I think the NSA, CIA, or FBI are eavesdropping on personal communications, I would say, "of course they are." This is nothing new: ECHELON, Clipper/Skipjack, Carnivore, ...
I guess I'm not so surprised that it's happening and I'm more surprised with the transition from "yeah it definitely looks like they're doing it" to "we have hard evidence that they're doing it."
totally agree. I always thought the government was doing this but now its front of me, its a whole new shitty feeling.
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#36(note/edit: I've made an error of conflation between the recently reported massive phone record sweep-up and PRISM, which according to the WP, simply allows analysts to trace (essentially) the totality of someone's online interactions, though not everyone at once. So really, things don't seem that much different than last week when it was well known that the government has discretion to warrantlessly tap us. Still, $20M a year is a pretty good price for a government contract)
Isn't it kind of surprising that the leak for this came from a career intelligence officer and not one of the many tech-utopia idealists who work at these kinds of startups? Not necessarily someone at the executive level, but one of the scores of employees required to assess, review, and implement the alleged backdoor? It's not just a matter of ethics, but just that you'd think someone must be idealistic/reckless enough to leak it from the companies' side
Edit: Also, as has been pointed out elsewhere...this program only cost $20M a year? If that's the price of eternal security, I'd say we got a pretty goddamn good deal. The shitstack that is the government's stimulus contracts database alone cost $18M to build (http://www.propublica.org/article/stimulus-transparency-watc...). And what percentage of a fighter jet's paint job does $20M cover?
I'd say it's possible that the government is unconstitutionally intruding on our privacy but also doing it in a bumbling way (which also has its downsides).
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#37I-M-P-E-A-C-H
oh please. like this has a thing to do with POTUS. I worked at an ISP in 1998 when we were contacted by the FBI and required to install carnivore. This has been going on a very long time.
When a junior developer screws something up, I accept responsibility and apologize to the client.
It's my fault.
There is no authority without responsibility.
If you don't like that, don't accept the job.
[FWIW I didn't like Bush either]
Re: NSA slides explain the PRISM data-collection program
#38Link to delete Google Account: https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/32046?hl=en
Why is Google being singled out? atleast they are among the ones denieing this report: http://marketingland.com/google-apple-facebook-deny-nsa-pris... And why are you omitting Apple from the title while listing Google twice (YouTube)? and what the hell is "msn" and "y"?
He probably has an agenda against Google. It's very common on HN. HN hates Google, but loves Apple and Facebook.
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#39(note/edit: I've made an error of conflation between the recently reported massive phone record sweep-up and PRISM, which according to the WP, simply allows analysts to trace (essentially) the totality of someone's online interactions, though not everyone at once. So really, things don't seem that much different than last week when it was well known that the government has discretion to warrantlessly tap us. Still, $…
To be honest I'm still catching up on a lot of the details with these stories, but it's this comment that made me wonder if there is a bit of hyperbole going around. Companies make leaks all the time on the most mundane things (hell Apple can barely contain the new iPhone that is usually coming out.) I'm hesitant to believe all the conspiracy theories going around that the companies willingly did this, or that it's as easy as it sounds.
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#40Now. Exactly which data is exposed for each provider? I'm thinking mostly about Gmail. Because virtually everyone now is using it… The whole content of any communications? Just origin/dest? This is becoming scary.
Exactly which data is exposed for each provider? According to slide 2, all of it. You might be confusing this with yesterday's Verizon story, which was "only" metadata -- caller, sender, time, and duration. This one is "actual" data -- email content, chat text, audio/video of VoIP calls. (From the article, there's also a parallel NSA program (BLARNEY) that collects metadata only. I don't know why there's two of them)…
BLARNEY is data-mining from IP metadata collected at Internet backbones, which is obviously a far broader net than backdoors at a few specific services.