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NSA slides explain the PRISM data-collection program

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Re: NSA slides explain the PRISM data-collection program

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Post by rasterizer »

tyre wrote: post #15
rasterizer wrote: post #8

For what it's worth Apple and Google denie it: http://www.cnbc.com/id/100797046

Not exactly. From the article: >Google specifically denied that it has a "back door for the >government to access private user data." >Apple told CNBC, "We have never heard of PRISM. We do not >provide any government agency with direct access to our >servers, and any government agency requesting customer data >must get a court order." They are not providing a back door, but it isn't the _means_ of providing informati…

Actually it's the backdoor bit that's more problematic. If they hand data by court order that is acceptable but if the government has direct lines to servers that is much more problematic.

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Post by o0-0o »

jessaustin wrote: post #12
o0-0o wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think their is a high placed mole. It might even be that Obama is the source of the leaks, and he's a good guy after all. Jury is still out on that one.

If so, it's great that so many Rs have condemned all this spying: they can't now turn around and impeach him for leaking about it.

I doubt it's an R mole. If you think for a minute the GOP isn't in this as well, well...

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Post by eightyone »

o0-0o wrote: post #18
FireBeyond wrote: post #13

Why leave Apple off the list in the title submission? (Because they deny it? Then better leave Google off the list, too - they deny it as well).

Actually, in my haste to post I only listed the ones that I thought of right away. I was quite disappointed to hear the Apple too, has succomb. Now I really have a reason to install Debian Wheezy on MBPr. ;p This is no way to live. Something must be done.

Does Debian (or any Linux distro for that matter) support HDPI displays without looking awful?

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Post by cpeterso »

I'm not sure why this is a big surprise to anyone. I'm a cynic, but if anyone asked me whether I think the NSA, CIA, or FBI are eavesdropping on personal communications, I would say, "of course they are." This is nothing new: ECHELON, Clipper/Skipjack, Carnivore, ...

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Post by ceejayoz »

rasterizer wrote: post #8

For what it's worth Apple and Google denie it: http://www.cnbc.com/id/100797046

IIRC, they're legally required to deny it.

Plus, careful wording allows all sorts of out. Google says they don't provide a "back door", but this sort of thing could be defined as coming in the front door.

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Post by burntsushi »

cpeterso wrote: post #25

I'm not sure why this is a big surprise to anyone. I'm a cynic, but if anyone asked me whether I think the NSA, CIA, or FBI are eavesdropping on personal communications, I would say, "of course they are." This is nothing new: ECHELON, Clipper/Skipjack, Carnivore, ...

I guess I'm not so surprised that it's happening and I'm more surprised with the transition from "yeah it definitely looks like they're doing it" to "we have hard evidence that they're doing it."

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Post by edwardunknown »

cdooh wrote: post #6
yogo wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention all of the revelations over the past few weeks. Either the administration is trying to top Nixon or there is some kind of conspiracy playing out.

I wonder how the Obama administration will repond to this other than the usual "Terrorism is bad and you need to trust us that we do all this for your own safety"

I hate to be this guy but there are people lighting off bombs out there and as soon as a big one goes off people will demand they do a lot more than this. Would you rather have your Facebook scanned or see a car bomb go off in Times Square during rush hour? That's not hyperbole, that's the decision we have to make.
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