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Re: Evidence of Turkish state violence in pictures

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Post by kweks »

sheri wrote: post #68
kweks wrote: post #67

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I flew down to Istanbul this weekend to support my friends. Joined in the protests on the front lines - have some photos up: http://travel.ninjito.com/dump/2013-06-01-Istanbul-Protests/...

Beautiful pictures! Thanks for sharing.

My pleasure. Did my best to help out the cause, and tried to remain objective in the photos I took and the text as well. I'd appreciate it if you wanted to share the link - I tried posting on the front page of HN but don't think I have enough karma (it just .. disappeared..)

Re: Evidence of Turkish state violence in pictures

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Post by makmanalp »

jacquesm wrote: post #45
ludwigvan wrote: post #34

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Thanks for the compliments about Turkish people, jacquesm. I can say that things have improved in the last couple of days; violence of police has been more or less throttled, the local media has started covering the news, and members of the gov't, the deputy PM, the President and even pro-goverment journalists have started realizing the significance of this issue. I would say the main opposition is actually against t…

I found it absolutely incredible that Erdogan would leave for a trip to Algeria (of all places) rather than to address these obviously very urgent domestic issues. Whatever he's doing in Algeria I can't imagine that it is more important than to solve the domestic crisis first. It's almost insulting.

It is insulting, that's the point. Erdogan is no stranger to provoking people, and then demonizing them in the ensuing outrage.

Like when he called the protestors 3-5 bandits, or when he called the founders of the constitution two drunkards (and they did drink, but so what?), or when he said "if you have 100 thousand people on the streets, I'll bring out a million" (all easily googleable, don't have time to link now).

His bully-like attitude is partly why he's losing sympathy even among his own supporters and party, which contain a spectrum from conservative-moderates to ultra-conservatives.

Re: Evidence of Turkish state violence in pictures

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Post by druiid »

maeon3 wrote: post #7

The following is a description (slightly modified) from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat. As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness. At 2% and 3% t…

Man, it's times like this which I had down-vote ability already. First a post up-thread asking for someone to give their real identity and now this. You must be a real jewel of a human.

Re: Evidence of Turkish state violence in pictures

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Post by alan_cx »

Um.... any one remember the riots in the UK a couple of years ago? The police shot dead a black suspect, kept the family out of the loop and riots kicked off all over the place. (Yes, there was a lot more to it than that)

Well.... public opinion at the time wanted the UK police to act like these Turkish police. In fact, a lot of people wanted the police to be shooting these youths with plastic bullets, not to mention calling out the army to clear it up.

I wonder if the people who held those opinions are now condemning the Turks? I wonder if this is the sort of thing they had in mind?

Re: Evidence of Turkish state violence in pictures

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Post by danmaz74 »

Tomis02 wrote: post #56
danmaz74 wrote: post #3

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Turk media almost didn't report the news. How would you call that?

I would call that my point. The media isn't reporting the news not because the government was hiding the facts, but because the government controls the media.

Ok, then I misunderstood your comment :)

Re: Evidence of Turkish state violence in pictures

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Post by ayi »

adaml_623 wrote: post #69
ayi wrote: post #50

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Because current government tries to change how we live. I think government's job is just trying to boost the economy, trying to not get into any war, paying the debts to IMF and etc. But current ruling party forces our life styles into a shape which they draw. Just one example: - Taksim Square is a famous tourist attraction centers of Istanbul. - Government first said to bars (pubs): "you can't put stalls on front of…

Is there an article you have seen in the western media that elaborates on what you've said here. I'm not finding my usual sources to be at all helpful explaining what is happening

english wikipedia is very comprehensive and up-to-date with even today: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_protests_in_Turkey

Re: Evidence of Turkish state violence in pictures

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Post by mseebach »

alan_cx wrote: post #74

Um.... any one remember the riots in the UK a couple of years ago? The police shot dead a black suspect, kept the family out of the loop and riots kicked off all over the place. (Yes, there was a lot more to it than that) Well.... public opinion at the time wanted the UK police to act like these Turkish police. In fact, a lot of people wanted the police to be shooting these youths with plastic bullets, not to mention…

There was a very clear break between the short lived, peaceful (if hostile) and completely legitimate march following the shooting - and then the full-on rioting that followed.

That said, looking at kweks' photos, it seems there could be a similar thing going on in Istanbul: In the daytime, the protest looks great, peaceful and calm, but at night, they are charging the police in a stolen excavator? The police is definitely wrong to fire CS canisters at head level, but if you're charging against the police in a stole excavator, you've lost the high ground.

Re: Evidence of Turkish state violence in pictures

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Post by stephengillie »

alan_cx wrote: post #74

Um.... any one remember the riots in the UK a couple of years ago? The police shot dead a black suspect, kept the family out of the loop and riots kicked off all over the place. (Yes, there was a lot more to it than that) Well.... public opinion at the time wanted the UK police to act like these Turkish police. In fact, a lot of people wanted the police to be shooting these youths with plastic bullets, not to mention…

It sounds like April 29, 1992 and Occupy rolled into one.

Re: Evidence of Turkish state violence in pictures

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Post by ayi »

druiid wrote: post #70
ayi wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because current government tries to change how we live. I think government's job is just trying to boost the economy, trying to not get into any war, paying the debts to IMF and etc. But current ruling party forces our life styles into a shape which they draw. Just one example: - Taksim Square is a famous tourist attraction centers of Istanbul. - Government first said to bars (pubs): "you can't put stalls on front of…

Well, since you're answering questions... Would you say in general that the government is becoming less 'secular'? Have there been other large changes pushed by the government besides the big issues I have heard about (including the alcohol issue)? Also, have there been laws put in place against atheism or LGBT rights issues? One of the big issues right now is that these protests are not really getting coverage in th…

"less secular" is not the only problem "less humble" is another.

examples:

- a blind man approached minister of health and says "we can't live with minimum-wage. Please improve current situations." And this is what the minister says: "You are blind and we gave you job. How dare you want more?" Source news article: http://gundem.milliyet.com.tr/bakan-akdag-gozlerin-gormuyor-...

- they don't have shame. we are using one of the most expensive oil in the world and after the last raise government said: "we didn't raise the price of oil, we just raised the tax". I can't find anything to say about that.

- These people protested against "internet ban": http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%B0nternetime_Dokunma! What did government say? "These people are just a bunch of teenage porn-lovers"

- The PM said: "Not everyone need to go to college. People who are educated too much are miserable." http://www.radikal.com.tr/haber.php?haberno=144718

I can go on and on.

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