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Minute 53, very emotional moment by Elon Musk

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Re: Minute 53, very emotional moment by Elon Musk

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Post by ss6754 »

qwanzi77 wrote: post #10
mtgx wrote: post #5

He gets like that sometimes, and you can see he really cares about the products he's making and the change he's trying to make in the world. So sometimes he seems deeply affected that others are so much against him, especially when they aren't playing fair. He became a bit emotional in another interview where he said that Neil Armstrong was opposed to the idea of having SpaceX making commercial rockets (or any other…

"he seems deeply affected that others are so much against him, especially when they aren't playing fair" How exactly is Tesla playing fair? Did all car manufacturers receive a $500 million loan to build electric cars or something?

Are u serious??? have you forgotten how the government bailed out all the major car manufacturers? here is the link to remind http://useconomy.about.com/od/criticalssues/a/auto_bailout.h... tesla got only 500mln while others got BILLIONS

Re: Minute 53, very emotional moment by Elon Musk

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Post by csomar »

The point Elon is raising is important. Dealerships (or middlemen) that we can exist without are lowering our $ purchase power. Sure, it's a small amount. But think about it in the long run, and at larger scales.

It just happens that Elon faced this problem now. That's why he's speaking, and it's good that's he's willing to fight them.

There is lot of sh*t going around. Like government not doing their job. It's time people are aware of their rights and speak out. It's these tiny wins that are going to make the change in the future.

Re: Minute 53, very emotional moment by Elon Musk

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Post by hhabgood »

qwanzi77 wrote: post #19
wjk wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did all car manufacturers try to get a $500 million loan to build electric cars?

No. And why should it matter? Tesla got the loan. Others didn't. How is that fair?

WAIT

I didn't get a loan to build an electric car, and I might have tried if someone gave me $500 million. HOW IS THAT FAIR?!?!?!?!?

Re: Minute 53, very emotional moment by Elon Musk

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Post by LekkoscPiwa »

Confusion wrote: post #57
qwanzi77 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"he seems deeply affected that others are so much against him, especially when they aren't playing fair" How exactly is Tesla playing fair? Did all car manufacturers receive a $500 million loan to build electric cars or something?

Why do you consider obtaining a loan an unfair advantage?

is it a Governmet loan? I mean like Government taking money from the competent people who know what they are doing, and giving it to ucompetent, hey here you have money so you can compete with competent guys using their money!

I know that's the model in the US banking now. Didn't realize that it works for car manufacturers too.

Re: Minute 53, very emotional moment by Elon Musk

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Post by justin66 »

LekkoscPiwa wrote: post #64
Confusion wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you consider obtaining a loan an unfair advantage?

is it a Governmet loan? I mean like Government taking money from the competent people who know what they are doing, and giving it to ucompetent, hey here you have money so you can compete with competent guys using their money! I know that's the model in the US banking now. Didn't realize that it works for car manufacturers too.

> s it a Governmet loan? I mean like Government taking money from the competent people who know what they are doing, and giving it to ucompetent, hey here you have money so you can compete with competent guys using their money!

Your objection, when applied to the specifics, would seem to make Tesla "ucompetent" and folks like GM both competent and untainted by government support. This thinking has some problems.

Re: Minute 53, very emotional moment by Elon Musk

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Post by bob13579 »

Confusion wrote: post #58
bob13579 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How exactly did Tesla earn an "A" up to that point? Every small electric car manufacturer was losing money left and right. Two smaller startups got the loan (Tesla and Fisker) to survive, while the others didn't (Bright Automotive, etc.). The ones that didn't get the loans went out of business. The one that got the other $500 million loan went out of business (Fisker). Only Tesla survived by having one tiny profitabl…

> How exactly did Tesla earn an "A" up to that point? Business plan, business model, customer research, advances already made, further along, ... There are dozens of possible reasons to loan $500M to Tesla, but not to another company. There are dozens of possible reasons why you would loan $1000 to one friend, but not to another. Someone else wouldn't know those reasons, but if the friend complained about you being u…

So the government is now a venture capitalist or investment bank and should be encouraged to pick winners and losers now?

It's quite funny that these Tesla Roadsters are being bought by rich Americans, and being subsidized by average Americans, and yet there seems to be no outrage from those purportedly upset about inequality. The average American isn't benefiting by enriching billionaires and millionaires with their $100,000 roadsters.

Re: Minute 53, very emotional moment by Elon Musk

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Post by luke_s »

trevmckendrick wrote: post #6

He's a great salesman. You don't even realize you're being sold.

I remember hearing a quote somewhere about Elon Musk. To paraphrase: Make sure you don't have any money in your pockets when you meet him, because by the end of the meeting you will have given it to him.

But seriously, I think 'being sold' has somewhat of a negative connotation - it implies that Elon is putting on an act to try and convince you buy something you otherwise might not. I think what Elon in fact does is just present a vision that he very much believes in and can make happen. I think that is why is is so effective - he is not trying to 'sell'. Hes just talking about what he believes in.

Re: Minute 53, very emotional moment by Elon Musk

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Post by kybernetyk »

qwanzi77 wrote: post #19
wjk wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did all car manufacturers try to get a $500 million loan to build electric cars?

No. And why should it matter? Tesla got the loan. Others didn't. How is that fair?

> How is that fair?

Life's not fair. Better you get used to it and take every advantage you can get.

It's not like it was free money anyway. It still was a loan and had to be paid back. You're acting like the US government would have gifted that money to Tesla.

Re: Minute 53, very emotional moment by Elon Musk

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Post by tocomment »

macmac wrote: post #4

The passion fuelling that emotion is going to put people on Mars, crush GM and take you from SF to LA in 25 mins.

My standing question for that is wouldn't a launch loop have to be located over the ocean, at least say 10 miles out? And then wouldn't it take much longer 25 minutes to take a boat trip out, take the trip and then take a boat trip back in at your destination?

Edit: On second thought if you're spending launch loop kind of money maybe building a 10 mile bridge out to the station isn't that big of a cost?

Re: Minute 53, very emotional moment by Elon Musk

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Post by bob13579 »

ss6754 wrote: post #61
qwanzi77 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"he seems deeply affected that others are so much against him, especially when they aren't playing fair" How exactly is Tesla playing fair? Did all car manufacturers receive a $500 million loan to build electric cars or something?

Are u serious??? have you forgotten how the government bailed out all the major car manufacturers? here is the link to remind http://useconomy.about.com/od/criticalssues/a/auto_bailout.h... tesla got only 500mln while others got BILLIONS

It's okay to give them half a billion dollars in loans because others got billions? Why not be outraged at everyone involved? The industry is colossally inefficient.
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