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Minute 53, very emotional moment by Elon Musk

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Re: Minute 53, very emotional moment by Elon Musk

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Post by codeulike »

qwanzi77 wrote: post #10
mtgx wrote: post #5

He gets like that sometimes, and you can see he really cares about the products he's making and the change he's trying to make in the world. So sometimes he seems deeply affected that others are so much against him, especially when they aren't playing fair. He became a bit emotional in another interview where he said that Neil Armstrong was opposed to the idea of having SpaceX making commercial rockets (or any other…

"he seems deeply affected that others are so much against him, especially when they aren't playing fair" How exactly is Tesla playing fair? Did all car manufacturers receive a $500 million loan to build electric cars or something?

Any of them could have, if they'd got their act together

Re: Minute 53, very emotional moment by Elon Musk

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Post by ngcazz »

qwanzi77 wrote: post #10
mtgx wrote: post #5

He gets like that sometimes, and you can see he really cares about the products he's making and the change he's trying to make in the world. So sometimes he seems deeply affected that others are so much against him, especially when they aren't playing fair. He became a bit emotional in another interview where he said that Neil Armstrong was opposed to the idea of having SpaceX making commercial rockets (or any other…

"he seems deeply affected that others are so much against him, especially when they aren't playing fair" How exactly is Tesla playing fair? Did all car manufacturers receive a $500 million loan to build electric cars or something?

Playing by the rules against incumbent manufacturers. edit: didn't Tesla repay a big federal loan a few weeks ago, many years before they had to? Good citizenship is fair.

Re: Minute 53, very emotional moment by Elon Musk

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Post by wjk »

qwanzi77 wrote: post #10
mtgx wrote: post #5

He gets like that sometimes, and you can see he really cares about the products he's making and the change he's trying to make in the world. So sometimes he seems deeply affected that others are so much against him, especially when they aren't playing fair. He became a bit emotional in another interview where he said that Neil Armstrong was opposed to the idea of having SpaceX making commercial rockets (or any other…

"he seems deeply affected that others are so much against him, especially when they aren't playing fair" How exactly is Tesla playing fair? Did all car manufacturers receive a $500 million loan to build electric cars or something?

Did all car manufacturers try to get a $500 million loan to build electric cars?

Re: Minute 53, very emotional moment by Elon Musk

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Post by qwanzi77 »

codeulike wrote: post #11
qwanzi77 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"he seems deeply affected that others are so much against him, especially when they aren't playing fair" How exactly is Tesla playing fair? Did all car manufacturers receive a $500 million loan to build electric cars or something?

Any of them could have, if they'd got their act together

No, they couldn't. There are several small electric car startups that wouldn't have a chance in the world to get those types of loans.

Re: Minute 53, very emotional moment by Elon Musk

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Post by waterlesscloud »

qwanzi77 wrote: post #10
mtgx wrote: post #5

He gets like that sometimes, and you can see he really cares about the products he's making and the change he's trying to make in the world. So sometimes he seems deeply affected that others are so much against him, especially when they aren't playing fair. He became a bit emotional in another interview where he said that Neil Armstrong was opposed to the idea of having SpaceX making commercial rockets (or any other…

"he seems deeply affected that others are so much against him, especially when they aren't playing fair" How exactly is Tesla playing fair? Did all car manufacturers receive a $500 million loan to build electric cars or something?

Good point. Some, like Nissan, got a lot more.

Re: Minute 53, very emotional moment by Elon Musk

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Post by mmaunder »

krosaen wrote: post #3

Start at minute 49 to see the full context - it's about fighting the automotive dealers association for the right to sell directly to consumers.

Thanks, agreed, crappy title. The insight he provides into the auto industry in those few minutes is awesome. It explains why I've consistently had a crap experience buying cars over the years (they don't make any money selling them) and why car service costs so much in the USA.

Re: Minute 53, very emotional moment by Elon Musk

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Post by qwanzi77 »

ngcazz wrote: post #12
qwanzi77 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"he seems deeply affected that others are so much against him, especially when they aren't playing fair" How exactly is Tesla playing fair? Did all car manufacturers receive a $500 million loan to build electric cars or something?

Playing by the rules against incumbent manufacturers. edit: didn't Tesla repay a big federal loan a few weeks ago, many years before they had to? Good citizenship is fair.

Incumbent manufacturers have to go through dealers. Allowing Tesla to bypass dealers wouldn't be fair to other car manufacturers.

"Tesla repay a big federal loan a few weeks ago, many years before they had to?"

Why does this matter? They were given a large loan. That large loan gave them a large runway to have one profitable quarter, which allowed them to pay back the loan by issuing shares and bonds. Another car manufacturer couldn't do the same if you gave them $500M loans? Why should Tesla get it and not others?

Re: Minute 53, very emotional moment by Elon Musk

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Post by qwanzi77 »

wjk wrote: post #13
qwanzi77 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"he seems deeply affected that others are so much against him, especially when they aren't playing fair" How exactly is Tesla playing fair? Did all car manufacturers receive a $500 million loan to build electric cars or something?

Did all car manufacturers try to get a $500 million loan to build electric cars?

No. And why should it matter? Tesla got the loan. Others didn't. How is that fair?

Re: Minute 53, very emotional moment by Elon Musk

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Post by qwanzi77 »

waterlesscloud wrote: post #15
qwanzi77 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"he seems deeply affected that others are so much against him, especially when they aren't playing fair" How exactly is Tesla playing fair? Did all car manufacturers receive a $500 million loan to build electric cars or something?

Good point. Some, like Nissan, got a lot more.

Honda, Toyota, BMW, Mercedes, or smaller ones like Think, BYD, Tango, or Venturi? I could name many more. Where are their $500M+ loans to build their electric cars?
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