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Minute 53, very emotional moment by Elon Musk

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Re: Minute 53, very emotional moment by Elon Musk

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No, they couldn't. There are several small electric car startups that wouldn't have a chance in the world to get those types of loans.

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I think his point is that government shouldn't pick winners and losers with taxpayer money.

Re: Minute 53, very emotional moment by Elon Musk

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No, they couldn't. There are several small electric car startups that wouldn't have a chance in the world to get those types of loans.

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So you should only give $500M loans to rich, well-connected, billionaires, right?

Wow.

There were quite several car manufacturers similar to Tesla's size before their large taxpayer-subsidized loan who didn't get those loans.

I guess you must be a well-connected billionaire to qualify. I guess that counts as "fair" nowadays.

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Good point. Some, like Nissan, got a lot more.

Honda, Toyota, BMW, Mercedes, or smaller ones like Think, BYD, Tango, or Venturi? I could name many more. Where are their $500M+ loans to build their electric cars?

Did they ask, and/or meet the requirements? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Technology_Vehicles_Ma...

Re: Minute 53, very emotional moment by Elon Musk

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Playing by the rules against incumbent manufacturers. edit: didn't Tesla repay a big federal loan a few weeks ago, many years before they had to? Good citizenship is fair.

Incumbent manufacturers have to go through dealers. Allowing Tesla to bypass dealers wouldn't be fair to other car manufacturers. "Tesla repay a big federal loan a few weeks ago, many years before they had to?" Why does this matter? They were given a large loan. That large loan gave them a large runway to have one profitable quarter, which allowed them to pay back the loan by issuing shares and bonds. Another car man…

For my own benefit, do you have more information about the circumstances of Tesla's loan? Did they get a special deal, or were they just successful applicants to an open-to-all opportunity?

Re: Minute 53, very emotional moment by Elon Musk

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Good point. Some, like Nissan, got a lot more.

Honda, Toyota, BMW, Mercedes, or smaller ones like Think, BYD, Tango, or Venturi? I could name many more. Where are their $500M+ loans to build their electric cars?

byd is small? this knock-off manufacturer is one of the largest in china and now even works with daimler.

Re: Minute 53, very emotional moment by Elon Musk

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post #12

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Playing by the rules against incumbent manufacturers. edit: didn't Tesla repay a big federal loan a few weeks ago, many years before they had to? Good citizenship is fair.

Incumbent manufacturers have to go through dealers. Allowing Tesla to bypass dealers wouldn't be fair to other car manufacturers. "Tesla repay a big federal loan a few weeks ago, many years before they had to?" Why does this matter? They were given a large loan. That large loan gave them a large runway to have one profitable quarter, which allowed them to pay back the loan by issuing shares and bonds. Another car man…

Why should incumbent manufacturers have to go through dealers? Why can't they sell direct to the end customers via the internet?

Do the incantations "disintermediate all supply chains" and "disrupt all mature industries" suddenly lose all their magical HN mojo when confronted with the Kryptonite of the car industry?

Re: Minute 53, very emotional moment by Elon Musk

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Did all car manufacturers try to get a $500 million loan to build electric cars?

No. And why should it matter? Tesla got the loan. Others didn't. How is that fair?

To rephrase this: Did all students get A on the exam? Did all even try to learn to get good grade? No. And why should it matter. Ones who did put some effort into learning got the loan. Others didn't. OMG HOW IS THAT FAIR? Yup, unfair indeed, lol.
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