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Re: Firefox 25 will get a major UI overhaul

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Post by saratogacx »

thezilch wrote: post #29
saratogacx wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does it seem like everyone is moving to those curved tabs? They've always seemed like a waste of space and the overlapping bits make for an inconsistent tab UI.

I'm not sure what you mean by inconsistent, but I imagine the point is to give a slight depth -- better highlight the foreground tab.

The inconsistency is based around a scenario like this.

Open 4 tabs. click tab 1 and then tab 3. What order do you display the tabs in? Does tab 1 overlay tab 2? If closing tabs don't to the last open tab this now means that the visual stack is not accurate to how the program operates.

I understand the depth but there are better ways to show it that don't take up as much space nor have to deal with issues like visually showing the tab's z-order

Re: Firefox 25 will get a major UI overhaul

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Post by shritesh »

kibwen wrote: post #27

I wouldn't hold the release target listed on a wiki page as binding. Remain skeptical until we see some aspects of Australis actually land in Nightly (which moves to version 25 on June 24).

There's a different nightly channel for Australis. http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/lates...

Re: Firefox 25 will get a major UI overhaul

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Post by msujaws »

thomasjoulin wrote: post #31

Yet after Lion, Mountain Lion, and in a few month the new Mac OS, they still haven't implemented the native scrollbar and bounce scrolling... Mozilla is doing a lot of stuff, but I don't see any focus.

The native scrollbar style and bounce scrolling will be released with Firefox 23.

It's true that we've been behind on some of our OS X integration, but we're very hard at work fixing that situation. I hope you will like our future releases better.

If you want, you can test out Firefox 23 today by downloading Firefox Aurora, http://aurora.mozilla.org

Re: Firefox 25 will get a major UI overhaul

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Post by bad_user »

w1ntermute wrote: post #6
kijin wrote: post #5

It looks beautiful in Windows and OSX. It looks less awful than the current theme in Linux, thanks to the menu button (which usually occupies the position of the leftmost tab in Linux and isn't even orange) being moved to the same location as where Chrome has it. But there still seems to be a lot of wasted space in the titlebar of the Linux theme. I remember reading that this is because certain opendesktop UI guideli…

To be honest, I really don't care about the UI on Linux so much as the terrible lag. For whatever reason, Mozilla just can't get its shit together when it comes to fixing lag on Linux. For this reason alone, I continue to use Chrome, even though I'd love to move back to Firefox and get all the customizability that it's known for.

I'm on Linux and I don't have lag. Have you tried submitting a bug report?

Re: Firefox 25 will get a major UI overhaul

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Post by trotsky »

imalolz wrote: post #15
loupeabody wrote: post #8

Here are some very detailed mockups(?) on major platforms whose links are kind of tucked into the parent link: Linux: http://people.mozilla.com/~shorlander/files/australis-design... Windows 7: http://people.mozilla.com/~shorlander/files/australis-design... Windows XP: http://people.mozilla.com/~shorlander/files/australis-design... OSX: http://people.mozilla.com/~shorlander/files/australis-design... I personally think…

I love firefox and use it daily on all platforms. What bothers me a bit (just a bit) about the design is that only on linux the menu bar row sticks out [1], while on Windows or Mac they were able to collapse it or hide it quite well. I suppose this is due to the GUI implementation constraints on the platform, but it is still very noticable when I switch from my mac to ubuntu. [1]: http://i.imgur.com/qDUuOXH.png

I'm not on ubuntu right now, but this should be done by an ubuntu specific extension that places the menu bar in the global menu bar area that unity creates in essentially the same place it is on a mac. Should be installed by default on untuntu+unity, perhaps you disabled it?

Re: Firefox 25 will get a major UI overhaul

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Post by zobzu »

zobzu wrote: post #33

sooo we move the main menu around in completely NON-obvious places every year, just to piss off long time users. I feel like a problem with UI designers is that once they made something they feel like they have to change it else they're useless. So they change stuff for the sake of it or something. Real changes in australis: - tabs around more round. - main menu move from far left to far right, slightly lower, and ha…

In fact now that I think about it there are plenty of areas where UI could be improved.

- master password mechanism

- secure/insecure site dialogs (ALL the dialogs for various cert status)

- RSS

- Sync

- search through a page (thats somewhere copying/inspiring chrome would be a pretty good idea..)

etc.

but no.. its always menus, tabs, and icons from the main window instead..

Re: Firefox 25 will get a major UI overhaul

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Post by msujaws »

spindritf wrote: post #28
loupeabody wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh snap, now that's a UI overhaul. How's that tab interface working out? At a glance I can imagine how much more effective it is at displaying a large number of tabs in the same window. In fact, I'm finding it quite brilliant. The web at large takes advantage of vertical scrolling, so why shouldn't browsers? All of my bookmarks are already arranged in vertical lists. Even when faced with the input procedure of naviga…

> Perhaps I'm missing some disadvantages? Drag and drop sometimes stops working and you lose the ability to move those tabs around (change their order). Some pages will be too wide, at least on a small screen like mine, forcing you to scroll horizontally. Also, after every (major) update you need to (re)move the new buttons. But those are all very minor. Otherwise, it's smooth sailing.

When was the last major update where buttons got re-added? Are you speaking from actual experience or just postulating?

Re: Firefox 25 will get a major UI overhaul

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Post by zobzu »

orblivion wrote: post #40
zobzu wrote: post #33

sooo we move the main menu around in completely NON-obvious places every year, just to piss off long time users. I feel like a problem with UI designers is that once they made something they feel like they have to change it else they're useless. So they change stuff for the sake of it or something. Real changes in australis: - tabs around more round. - main menu move from far left to far right, slightly lower, and ha…

> I feel like a problem with UI designers is that once they made something they feel like they have to change it else they're useless. It could just as well be the growth team, experimenting with different designs to see if retention of new users picks up.

So... if everyone goes to chrome, it means the user didn't pick it up, right?

Because I'm not trying to be sarcastic here, that's what the choice is when you test on release.

Re: Firefox 25 will get a major UI overhaul

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Post by wtetzner »

zobzu wrote: post #33

sooo we move the main menu around in completely NON-obvious places every year, just to piss off long time users. I feel like a problem with UI designers is that once they made something they feel like they have to change it else they're useless. So they change stuff for the sake of it or something. Real changes in australis: - tabs around more round. - main menu move from far left to far right, slightly lower, and ha…

> I can tell you, all the non-techies will be lost (there's no point even arguing tat)

I don't know about that. The new UI looks more like Chrome, and there are plenty of non-techies that use Chrome.

Re: Firefox 25 will get a major UI overhaul

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Post by Malzahir »

Actually for some reason I cant prefer all that flashing buttons at all, visually its good to have some highlight of what is/will be selected, but I cant imagine messing around with the interface if the UI is like that.

Just swipe over the menu, its simply to much contrasts and far away from being gently to the eyes. I also don't want to imagine that with a darker theme (if it cant be customized).

And again minimalistic and ribbon like menus what was the worst feature introduced in some more or less modern applications (on windows). I want to see a menu for several reasons (perhaps a long time user habbit) but, please, dont remove that if I dont ask for that. Just noticing the min, max and closing button on the top left(?) of the main window - I really really hope that this is only for preview.

In addition, will there by any chance a way to customize the colors used for general UI elements (browser textboxes, find dialog, titlebar) besides the system one? For example to allow the use of theme colors over the system ones. Changeable dialog colors would also be warmly welcomed.

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