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Re: What is Happening in Istanbul?

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This article is grossly misleading. Papers and televisions are showing what is going on, one can read from internet, and express his opinion. Turkey is a democracy with multi party system similar to France since 1946. Unfortunately the minority group who held the power in Turkey for decades lost their control of most of the government and state after years of corruption with 2002 elections. In 2001 Turkish economy ex…

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Re: What is Happening in Istanbul?

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"These people are my friends. They are my students, my relatives. They have no «hidden agenda» as the state likes to say. Their agenda is out there. It is very clear. The whole country is being sold to corporations by the government, for the construction of malls, luxury condominiums, freeways, dams and nuclear plants. The government is looking for (and creating when necessary) any excuse to attack Syria against its…

Here is the truth of this situation in one sentence: A bunch of dogmatic Kemalist opportunists and militant anti-gevernment groups are yelling with all they got; while we (greetings from Turkey!) play the silent majority :)

Re: What is Happening in Istanbul?

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Can't say I understand your comment. RT published an article saying AI said something so I went to AI to verify if they really said it and they didn't. What's your point? If the idea is talking about reliable sources then we will have a hard time finding one when even the NYT was able to justify a war with false data... Sure, noone's 100% reliable and that's why you check several sources. That's actually what I did o…

pionar obviously has an interest in disbelieving, for whatever weird reason

Never said it was disbelief, just pointing out that AI is not a reliable source for news.

But, I misunderstood the parent's point. So I stand corrected.

Re: What is Happening in Istanbul?

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So both are ridiculous laws that have no place in modern society. That said, I thought Singapore has repealed the chewing-gum ban already.

My point was more that you cannot judge a country based on 1 law. And also, what's the big deal of banning chewing gum? :)

Of course you can judge a country based on one law. Would you enter a country that had a law stating that if your first name was jason that they had the right to execute you? Singapore has shown it has been willing to enforce caning people over graffiti, so obviously laws have consequences. If some customs official doesnt like the way I look, he can throw a dime bag of weed in my suitcase on entrance to the country and have my life ended. So yeah, laws have life and death consequences.

Re: What is Happening in Istanbul?

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post #432

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So both are ridiculous laws that have no place in modern society. That said, I thought Singapore has repealed the chewing-gum ban already.

My point was more that you cannot judge a country based on 1 law. And also, what's the big deal of banning chewing gum? :)

Read up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Singapore

Re: What is Happening in Istanbul?

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post #432

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So both are ridiculous laws that have no place in modern society. That said, I thought Singapore has repealed the chewing-gum ban already.

My point was more that you cannot judge a country based on 1 law. And also, what's the big deal of banning chewing gum? :)

The big deal of banning chewing gum is that it betrays a ridiculously authoritarian, controlling government. Any government concerned about such matters is obviously abusively intrusive on every level of citizen life: "The government maintained virtually unlimited powers to detain suspects without charge or judicial review, using the Internal Security Act and the Criminal Law (Temporary Provisions) Act. These laws have been used to incarcerate outspoken activists for prolonged periods without trial, as well as criminal suspects who should be charged under the penal code. In dealing with terrorism suspects, the government should use the criminal code to prosecute in accordance with international due process standards, Human Rights Watch said." http://www.hrw.org/news/2012/01/23/singapore-stop-hiding-beh...

Re: What is Happening in Istanbul?

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post #158

"These people are my friends. They are my students, my relatives. They have no «hidden agenda» as the state likes to say. Their agenda is out there. It is very clear. The whole country is being sold to corporations by the government, for the construction of malls, luxury condominiums, freeways, dams and nuclear plants. The government is looking for (and creating when necessary) any excuse to attack Syria against its…

(I am re-posting my comment on about this article on this thread to make it shown since the comments got much larger for the top entry too long. Apologies if I am breaking any rule.) This article is grossly misleading. Papers and televisions are showing what is going on, one can read from internet [11, 12, 13], and express his opinion. I live in States and even I can access all these information from here. Turkey is…

(And I'm reposting my reply to the original.)

This wraps up the 'real' situation perfectly. Well put, sir. As a Turkish citizen, thank you for speaking the truth!

Re: What is Happening in Istanbul?

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Yes, obviously. What did you imagine it was? Something mind-numbingly ignorant like "they hate us for our freedoms"?

Here is a free clue for you: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1253796 And some notes on his influence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qutbism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma%27alim_fi_al-Tariq They do indeed "hate us for our freedoms" and the mind-numbingly ignorant position is to deny it.

Wow this place has really gone down if people like you feel comfortable expression your ignorance so openly. "Hate us for our freedoms" was the idiotic excuse Bush used because he wasn't intelligent enough to give us anything meatier. Only the simplest of the simple ever actually believed it.

I would tell you to go educate yourself but if you honestly buy this line now in 2013 I don't suppose there's anything more than can be done for you.

Re: What is Happening in Istanbul?

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post #487

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> long term the Nazi "wealth" turned to ash. Mercedes is still doing quite well, actually. Germany is the exporting powerhouse of Europe. But just to be clear, you would be ok with the whole holocaust thing if Germany now had the GDP (or whatever metric you want to use for "social wealth") of the US as a result?

> Mercedes is still doing quite well, actually. I think you meant Volkswagen Group, created in 1937 by the Nazis and backed by Hitler to create the Type 1 (a.k.a Beetle). Today, Volkswagen owns Audi, Lamborghini, Bentley, Bugatti, Porsche, Ducati, Seat, Skoda, and has a majority of shares in Suzuki. Mercedes is small fry compared do VG.

Mercedes was just off the top of my head. There are many businesses that did well under Hitler and still do well today.
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