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Texas won't allow Tesla to sell electric cars directly

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Re: Texas won't allow Tesla to sell electric cars directly

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This is Interstate Commerce, pure and simple. What would be really nice is for Congress to pass a law saying these state laws are illegal and suddenly the floodgates would open. Of course all of the car manufacturers will protest that, and their lobbyists are more powerful than Tesla's. But the real plan is for Tesla to make cars and sell them where it can. In time as people see more and more of them being sold and w…

Manufacturers would love to sell directly. They're doing it in Europe and aren't trying to enact protectionist dealership laws to protect their interests from upstart competitors. Dealers are notorious for bad service, and you can't shut underperforming ones without large buyout fees.

If they were to do it from scratch? Sure!

But once the system is in place, it isn't in their interests to rock the boat.

Re: Texas won't allow Tesla to sell electric cars directly

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For the record, you also cannot sell dildos in Texas. I don't know why people are always crowing about how Texas is the land that respects individual rights and free enterprise. It's not. It's the land of unlimited corporate malfeasance, unchecked pollution, and a ban on fire codes.

Wut? This is, umm, complete and totally false. Where do people come up with this crap?

Re: Texas won't allow Tesla to sell electric cars directly

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Tesla said it best: "Tesla will sell its cars the way it wants. If some states don't allow that, then Tesla will simply sell them elsewhere." When a piece of a neural network becomes corrupt and entrenched beyond repair, (cancerous) the tumor or cancer fights to protect itself, there are two solutions to these kinds of problems. 1. One solution is what Musk is doing, treat the dealerships as a cancerous growth in the…

That's one of the most mixed metaphors of all time. Congratulations.

Re: Texas won't allow Tesla to sell electric cars directly

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Other manufacturers had dealership agreements dating back pretty far into history. This is a really good listen: http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/02/19/172402376/why-buyi... I suspect it would be better for everyone if special dealership regulations were broken down. But, given that Tesla is a new car company, without any historical dealership agreements, why should they be bound the inefficient legal infrastructu…

Any of those dealers would love to sell Tesla cars, especially the higher-end ones that sell BMWs, Mercedes, Porsches, and Lexuses. Nothing is stopping Tesla from partnering with dealers to do so. Small Chinese car manufacturers don't get special treatment. Why should Tesla get them? I know the dealership laws are awful, but IMO we should be focusing on changing those laws instead of giving special treatment to parti…

All your arguments divolve into this one statement: I know its awful, but we need to do the right thing.

The world does not work that way. You can not put off inventing transport just because you have not invented teleportation yet. Things work in small steps.

Re: Texas won't allow Tesla to sell electric cars directly

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The metaphor is cute, but maybe overstated. Tesla isn't doing this because it's what a self healing network would do. Tesla is doing this because it's a rapidly-growing startup whose production facilities are heavily oversubscribed already. They have no net downsides to giving up the "Texas" market for now, because they don't have enough cars to sell even without Texas (and the handful of other such states). Eventual…

If the Texas Auto dealers were smart, they would buy some lobbyists to give extra incentives to Tesla to bring them on board with the corrupt system. For example, the dealerships selling the Tesla vehicle at no cost, or maybe even provide an additional $3000-7000 tax credit only for Texans. Or perhaps giving Tesla a bushel of cash for every Tesla sold (temporally) through dealerships. Then when Musk is on board and m…

  >If the Texas Auto dealers were smart...
That's really the operative phrase isn't it? I think we've already established that some people aren't above burning down their own house to evict an unwanted guest. As it has already been pointed out though, Texans are good at one more thing: Voting people out.

You're getting to the real heart of the problem though. The dealers are taking the retro-futuristic approach the newspapers didn't take with the internet. But then the newspapers didn't know just how disruptive that wire will become either.

Re: Texas won't allow Tesla to sell electric cars directly

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I keep waiting for someone to mention that the Texas law is virtually identical to the laws on the books in 48 other states. Also, Ford went to the Supreme Court over this in 2001 and got the back of their hand.

The law is on the books for real consumer protection reasons beyond putting money in dealers' pockets ( though, putting money in dealers' pockets is a plus too ).

In this case, I think an exemption for the staggeringly different service model of Tesla would be appropriate, while leaving on existing rules.

Re: Texas won't allow Tesla to sell electric cars directly

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It should be considered a "special rule" because an exception would be made for Tesla, and no one else (including other small car manufacturers). Either let every car manufacturer sell directly or don't.

The answer then, is to remove the "special rule" for everyone. Anyone (even companies that make cars) can sell them.

I think they made it 'special' to try and get it passed. The car dealers would probably commit every single cent they had to stop such a law if it allowed all dealers to sell direct.

Tesla would probably be fine with allowing everyone direct dealerships, but the dealerships are not.

Re: Texas won't allow Tesla to sell electric cars directly

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I'm in Ohio and I can (and do) buy directly from the brewery, from single bottles to full barrels.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-tier_(alcohol_distributio...

Which, of course, does not apply legally since March 22, 2012[1] and has not been enforced for as long as I can remember.

[1] http://www.com.ohio.gov/liqr/docs/liqr_HB243highlights2012.p...

Re: Texas won't allow Tesla to sell electric cars directly

#129
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Funny how similar it is to the alcohol situation. Its illegal for a brewery to sell beer directly to the public in Texas, they have to go through a middleman (distributor) that doesn't really provide value. Although in the last legislative session the rules got relaxed somewhat ( especially for brewpubs ), its still pretty similar.

> Its illegal for a brewery to sell beer directly to the public in Texas, they have to go through a middleman (distributor) that doesn't really provide value. This is true in most states. It isn't a 'Texas' problem, it's a 'USA' problem.

Very true, although it finally is getting addressed ever so slowly.

Re: Texas won't allow Tesla to sell electric cars directly

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> IMHO, things make much more sense when you argue in fact instead of metaphor. This is true. However, are you actually arguing in fact? Your statements read as an outside agent judging the intentions and motivations of other agents. Perhaps you're part of one of the groups and actually possess insider knowledge here? Another potential outsider's reading of the bets and motivations at play (this taken from nearly 4 y…

That was a very well written explanation of what the dealers are doing (and why). Thanks for laying it out so clearly. | [F]loorplan isn't free, and it's a significant dealer cost | (which is why you should always buy the oldest car on the | lot (measured in # days it has been in dealer inventory)). I realize this is a little off topic, but can you go into more detail of why this matters? If a dealer has N cars takin…

In it's simplest form, non-excessively peppered with financial terminology and equations:

Floorplan is a line of credit dealers use to purchase their retail inventory. Each vehicle on the lot subjects the dealer to finance charges that begin accruing from the moment the dealer takes possession of the vehicle. So, say that the floorplan fees and interest are $100/day per vehicle (for simplicity's sake). The longer a car sits on the lot, the more profit the dealer is losing on that vehicle per day. Make sense?

Why do dealers care?

If you're being charged by the number of days a car is sitting on the lot, and a customer comes in an looks at a brand new, green car that arrived yesterday, and there is an identical twin in every way that is 400 days old, the salesman is going to push you to check out the older one and say they can make a special deal on it for some reason or another (sometimes they'll just say it's because it's been on the lot for a long time if they're really desperate). If you're paying interest on every product by the day, you want to get that out of your inventory as quickly as possible, because that's where you maximize your profit potential.

Often, you can find vehicles on lots that are marked down lower than other similar/identical cars. This is almost always due to floorplan age (I'm assuming we are only talking about new cars here, because used cars bring in a lot of other variables).

Some dealers operate in a way that they seek to capitalize on volume sales vs individual car sales as a way to both be more competitive and mitigate floorplan costs. These are often the best dealers to purchase from (and these are almost never luxury brand dealers) because they will typically sell every single vehicle at invoice price (or several hundred above), and build their profits instead around manufacturer incentives that pay out to the dealer $N per type of car in a graduated fashion where the payout increases as #s of types of cars sold increases. If you have a dealer in your area that advertises (and shows you the proof) that they sell at or near invoice, especially if that is their standard practice, you can safely assume they are a volume dealer. The salespersons are going to be focused on selling as many cars as they can because they are also making their income based on the number of cars sold, not a percentage of per-sale profits.

Can you use this on the lot to your advantage? Sure. Just ask the dealer/salesperson how long the car has been on the lot.

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