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“Printcrime” by Cory Doctorow

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Re: “Printcrime” by Cory Doctorow

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Post by daragh »

brudgers wrote: post #25

A few months ago, I read Cory Doctrow's Makers . Having grown up in Orlando, rat as villain was blissful reading. Earlier this spring, I pulled Little Brother off the shelf at the library. As it happened, my son was just finishing Slaughter House Five: or the Children's Crusade at the very point I realized that he might enjoy its young adult tenor more than I would enjoy finishing it out of obligation. Ever since Hit…

If he liked Hitchhiker's Guide and Kurt Vonnegut, you should give him The Sirens of Titan.

Re: “Printcrime” by Cory Doctorow

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Post by deveac »

brudgers wrote: post #25

A few months ago, I read Cory Doctrow's Makers . Having grown up in Orlando, rat as villain was blissful reading. Earlier this spring, I pulled Little Brother off the shelf at the library. As it happened, my son was just finishing Slaughter House Five: or the Children's Crusade at the very point I realized that he might enjoy its young adult tenor more than I would enjoy finishing it out of obligation. Ever since Hit…

>Indeed, the mentioning of last year's suggestion of Sword of Shannara has been rendered less painful between us by the recent success.

This made me smile. I had forgotten about that book and how much my young self enjoyed escaping into it. I'm guessing from your comment that this is one of those "better remembered than revisited" fantasy titles :)

I'm going to keep pretending it was close to perfection :p

Re: “Printcrime” by Cory Doctorow

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Post by hcarvalhoalves »

freehunter wrote: post #39
betterunix wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Change a few words and see if it still makes sense: what is the solution if a person uses their garage to make things for criminal purposes? If they get out of prison, do you still allow them to have a garage?

See that's not the same though, unless the garage directly led to making the crime possible. Change a few words and see if it still makes sense: what if the person used their life for criminal purposes? If they get out of prison do you still allow them to have life? A garage is a place, not a tool.

It's exactly the same thing.

What defines a crime is intention. For instance, firing a gun is not a crime per se. Or in the case of the United States, even building one isn't illegal, since no one made a law to make it so. [1]

On the other hand, attempt to shoot, shooting or killing someone, are all possibly crimes, depending if there's intention and the circumstances (e.g., self-defense).

So in your example, if someone makes materials for political enemies, first you need to prove intention or connection to the crimes committed by these parties (I'm assuming you don't mean illegal/controlled materials here). Then, when this person is sentenced, the judge can rule about restricting access to these materials anymore (for instance, restricting him from getting a job in industry). It's the same case as hackers sentenced for years away from computers.

[1] http://www.cracked.com/article_17016_7-items-you-wont-believ...

Re: “Printcrime” by Cory Doctorow

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Post by joelhooks »

brudgers wrote: post #25

A few months ago, I read Cory Doctrow's Makers . Having grown up in Orlando, rat as villain was blissful reading. Earlier this spring, I pulled Little Brother off the shelf at the library. As it happened, my son was just finishing Slaughter House Five: or the Children's Crusade at the very point I realized that he might enjoy its young adult tenor more than I would enjoy finishing it out of obligation. Ever since Hit…

I've come to a similar conclusion. We homeschool, and my oldest is 15. "How to teach my kid to program" is the wrong question. My oldest is barely interested. He's getting to the point where it might be good as job skill, and he knows that, but he's not hacking his nights away. Could care less. My middle son however is 11 and is constantly hacking at stuff. Setting up his friends' minecraft servers. Asking me questions like "what is Lua" because he wants to mod roblox. Opening the chrome dev tools and changing shit on pages for hours. lol

They have all the opportunity they could want. They will all "graduate" with deeper than average computer science knowledge, but that urge to hack isn't something that can be taught.

Re: “Printcrime” by Cory Doctorow

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Post by GuiA »

joelhooks wrote: post #64
brudgers wrote: post #25

A few months ago, I read Cory Doctrow's Makers . Having grown up in Orlando, rat as villain was blissful reading. Earlier this spring, I pulled Little Brother off the shelf at the library. As it happened, my son was just finishing Slaughter House Five: or the Children's Crusade at the very point I realized that he might enjoy its young adult tenor more than I would enjoy finishing it out of obligation. Ever since Hit…

I've come to a similar conclusion. We homeschool, and my oldest is 15. "How to teach my kid to program" is the wrong question. My oldest is barely interested. He's getting to the point where it might be good as job skill, and he knows that, but he's not hacking his nights away. Could care less. My middle son however is 11 and is constantly hacking at stuff. Setting up his friends' minecraft servers. Asking me questio…

Do you have links to relevant articles/essays/etc. about homeschooling?

All the homeschooling families I've seen were the religious-nut kind, but I frequently see commenters on HN mention that they homeschool their kids, which is causing me to do a double take on the whole thing.

I'm quite a few years from having kids, but am curious about the subject. Thanks in advance!

Re: “Printcrime” by Cory Doctorow

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Post by cowpewter »

tenpoundhammer wrote: post #43
tstactplsignore wrote: post #40

I am often confused by how quickly the futurist community jumps from "machines which mold plastic shapes" to "machines which are capable of creating a laptop". Surely every modern electronic requires an enormous number of materials, some very rare, some in minute quantities, and some of which may require chemically and/or thermally active reactions in their implementation. Do many people genuinely think that we are c…

Please research "fun" and "story", I think you will find out why fun stories are often based on things which may not be feasible.

Or "speculative fiction" - which often uses currently impossible or implausible technology in order to make a point about society itself.

Re: “Printcrime” by Cory Doctorow

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Post by wnight »

livnev wrote: post #26
angersock wrote: post #20

So, one wonders--how does anyone who detests the idea of getting arrested for printing things and having printer tech confiscated simultaneously detest the idea of printing weapons with which to defend yourself and your means of production?

Weapons are violence. There's no room for violence in the future.

Is a hammer a weapon or a tool?

Is a military mortar a tool when ski patrols use it to save lives by safely triggering avalanches?

Re: “Printcrime” by Cory Doctorow

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Post by aptwebapps »

e12e wrote: post #54
brudgers wrote: post #25

A few months ago, I read Cory Doctrow's Makers . Having grown up in Orlando, rat as villain was blissful reading. Earlier this spring, I pulled Little Brother off the shelf at the library. As it happened, my son was just finishing Slaughter House Five: or the Children's Crusade at the very point I realized that he might enjoy its young adult tenor more than I would enjoy finishing it out of obligation. Ever since Hit…

As for "similar to Hitch-hiker's guide" -- I strongly recommend "Last Chance to See" if you can get a hold of a copy. Fair warning, though - that might make your child take an interest in protecting the environment.

There's always the two Dirk Gently books as well. Not the same as HHGG but just good, IMO.

Re: “Printcrime” by Cory Doctorow

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Post by mkmkmmmmm »

peterkelly wrote: post #34
maeon3 wrote: post #19

After "printcrime" there will be: "look-crime" where you are caught peeking into or learning about how the insides of a system work on a base level, so you can replicate it without the backdoors, spyware, government mothership authorizations, credentials, alarms, and limitations. Close that vehicle/system lid citizen, there are trade secrets in there, step away, don't make me Taze you.

And URL query parameter modification crime.

Your ordering is wrong because that's already a thing :(

Re: “Printcrime” by Cory Doctorow

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Post by TeMPOraL »

tstactplsignore wrote: post #40

I am often confused by how quickly the futurist community jumps from "machines which mold plastic shapes" to "machines which are capable of creating a laptop". Surely every modern electronic requires an enormous number of materials, some very rare, some in minute quantities, and some of which may require chemically and/or thermally active reactions in their implementation. Do many people genuinely think that we are c…

Surely modern electronics exist for like, 50 years now. And progress is getting faster, not slowing down. Research for self-replicating machines is being done on many fronts now.

And those are not "machines which mold plastic shapes", these are "machines that put various materials to precise computer instructions and can be built at home for less than $1k".

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