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“Printcrime” by Cory Doctorow

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Re: “Printcrime” by Cory Doctorow

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Post by swatkat »

mindcrime wrote: post #29
maeon3 wrote: post #19

After "printcrime" there will be: "look-crime" where you are caught peeking into or learning about how the insides of a system work on a base level, so you can replicate it without the backdoors, spyware, government mothership authorizations, credentials, alarms, and limitations. Close that vehicle/system lid citizen, there are trade secrets in there, step away, don't make me Taze you.

After "printcrime" there will be: "look-crime" And after that, there will be "mind-crime".

May I quote George Orwell: "thoughtcrime" [1]

By the way, a very relevant username :)

[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughtcrime

Re: “Printcrime” by Cory Doctorow

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Post by mindcrime »

swatkat wrote: post #31
mindcrime wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After "printcrime" there will be: "look-crime" And after that, there will be "mind-crime".

May I quote George Orwell: "thoughtcrime" [1] By the way, a very relevant username :) [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughtcrime

By the way, a very relevant username :)

I'm just waiting for thoughtcriminal[1] to post in this thread, actually.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=thoughtcriminal

Re: “Printcrime” by Cory Doctorow

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Post by splawn »

angersock wrote: post #20

So, one wonders--how does anyone who detests the idea of getting arrested for printing things and having printer tech confiscated simultaneously detest the idea of printing weapons with which to defend yourself and your means of production?

Why would one wonder that? Besides the "getting arrested" part, it seems like two pretty different concepts to me...even with the positive spin you put on weapons.

Re: “Printcrime” by Cory Doctorow

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Post by peterkelly »

maeon3 wrote: post #19

After "printcrime" there will be: "look-crime" where you are caught peeking into or learning about how the insides of a system work on a base level, so you can replicate it without the backdoors, spyware, government mothership authorizations, credentials, alarms, and limitations. Close that vehicle/system lid citizen, there are trade secrets in there, step away, don't make me Taze you.

And URL query parameter modification crime.

Re: “Printcrime” by Cory Doctorow

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Post by peterkelly »

livnev wrote: post #26
angersock wrote: post #20

So, one wonders--how does anyone who detests the idea of getting arrested for printing things and having printer tech confiscated simultaneously detest the idea of printing weapons with which to defend yourself and your means of production?

Weapons are violence. There's no room for violence in the future.

> There's no room for violence in the future

I'm sure humanity will find some

Re: “Printcrime” by Cory Doctorow

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Post by peterkelly »

C1D wrote: post #16
SonicSoul wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this kind of reply makes me cringe.. i had a manager once who would do something similar on rare occasions i asked about something he already stated in the past. he'd re-paste it into the chat window (sometimes twice).. as if fostering proof that i must be retarded for missing a nugget of his eternal wisdom. the only thing that kept me alive was collecting such snippets for eventual book or at least a blog post about…

I would love to see the end result of your book/blog post :P

As SonicSoul commented on the 12th of April, this will be published early next year. Or weren't you paying attention?

Re: “Printcrime” by Cory Doctorow

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Post by MarkHarmon »

The story seems relevant due to recent news articles about people printing guns. It makes me wonder about what other printable items will be criminalized. Also gets me thinking about the materials used by 3d printers. Right now plastic is the most popular, but who knows, maybe someday it will be "goop".

Re: “Printcrime” by Cory Doctorow

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Post by shahar2k »

brudgers wrote: post #25

A few months ago, I read Cory Doctrow's Makers . Having grown up in Orlando, rat as villain was blissful reading. Earlier this spring, I pulled Little Brother off the shelf at the library. As it happened, my son was just finishing Slaughter House Five: or the Children's Crusade at the very point I realized that he might enjoy its young adult tenor more than I would enjoy finishing it out of obligation. Ever since Hit…

what really got me into programming or really interested in tech at all, was basically working with my dad ON stuff around the house, being able to take things apart, move electronics components around and see the effect, and then get to slowly transition to doing it myself.

the big block to doing these sorts of things really tends to be fear of failure. after a few electrocutions, burnt devices, and realizing that failure really isnt quite as bad as it's built up to be, I think any kid would be much more brave to try and open tech up.

if you are a programmer, do a 24 hour project yourself, a quick game, a quick project on arduino, basically something to get tangled with quickly and accomplish quickly.

hah what got me interested though is just curiosity / hunger for more knowledge, some of my first conversations with my dad revoled around ohm's law, newton's laws. and learning how to take things apart meant that I also had to learn to put my dad's toys back together before I got caught :)

anyways I'm a 3d artist now, but I'm also one of the only ones at my company who can write cgfx shaders, fix hardware, and troubleshoot the computers without calling IT.

Re: “Printcrime” by Cory Doctorow

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Post by freehunter »

betterunix wrote: post #27
maeon3 wrote: post #13

This is reminiscent of Gnu's "Right to read". http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html What is the solution if a person uses a printer to print devices that are used for what most people consider criminal behavior? For example, someone printing high performing secret remote detonating bomb materials for political enemy rallies. After they serve the prison sentence. Do you let them own an open source printer a…

Change a few words and see if it still makes sense: what is the solution if a person uses their garage to make things for criminal purposes? If they get out of prison, do you still allow them to have a garage?

See that's not the same though, unless the garage directly led to making the crime possible. Change a few words and see if it still makes sense: what if the person used their life for criminal purposes? If they get out of prison do you still allow them to have life?

A garage is a place, not a tool.

Re: “Printcrime” by Cory Doctorow

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Post by tstactplsignore »

I am often confused by how quickly the futurist community jumps from "machines which mold plastic shapes" to "machines which are capable of creating a laptop". Surely every modern electronic requires an enormous number of materials, some very rare, some in minute quantities, and some of which may require chemically and/or thermally active reactions in their implementation.

Do many people genuinely think that we are close to this kind of machine? Because to me I simply see far too many hurdles for it to even become realistic. I know everyone is excited about 3-D printers, but within the current constraints of reality I cannot see how the current ones can do much more than print small plastic mechanical parts.

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