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Re: Steve Jobs emails that show how to win a negotiation

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Not for all. 1) Reading for me involves access to a browser and typing on a kindle is deeply unpleasant. 2) Reading in the dark requires a light and the attachments for the kindle have all seemed a kludge to me. That said, the iPad is imperfect here are the screen doesn't dim enough.

"Reading in the dark requires a light and the attachments for the kindle have all seemed a kludge to me." Kindle Paperwhite has an LED backlit screen with an e-ink display that sounds like exactly what you want.

Actually, it's an LED frontlit screen, not backlit. While this may seem like a small distinction, it is much easier on the eyes (I'm told).

Re: Steve Jobs emails that show how to win a negotiation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not for all. 1) Reading for me involves access to a browser and typing on a kindle is deeply unpleasant. 2) Reading in the dark requires a light and the attachments for the kindle have all seemed a kludge to me. That said, the iPad is imperfect here are the screen doesn't dim enough.

"Reading in the dark requires a light and the attachments for the kindle have all seemed a kludge to me." Kindle Paperwhite has an LED backlit screen with an e-ink display that sounds like exactly what you want.

The Paperwhite really is a fantastic reading device: the e-ink works perfectly under sunlight and the backlight works perfectly in the dark. The only thing I don't like about it is the touchscreen interface can be rather clunky/slow to use.

Also, I can't help but feel that e-ink and LCD displays are going to converge in the not-too-distant future, and at that point there won't be much reason to buy a Kindle over an iPad anymore.

Re: Steve Jobs emails that show how to win a negotiation

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My two big takeaways from this are: 1. Amazon sells every Kindle ebook at a loss of $3 -- they pay $13 wholesale and sell it for $9.99. I thought this was a typo, but then Jobs repeated the figure (though he said $12.50). It was my impression that Amazon also sells the Kindle itself at near-cost, so does that mean that Amazon's entire ebook business has been running at a loss the whole time? 2. Jobs certainly did win…

2) Doubt this is a fair comparison. Kindles are clearly a superior device for reading than iPads.

well, kindle paperwhite is awesome but the fact that I cannot load my pdfs or other ebooks format keeps me away from it.

Re: Steve Jobs emails that show how to win a negotiation

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Here is a vital lesson about how to make arguments and win in a negotiation, but nobody here has picked up on it. You are instead focusing on the numbers...which is a small part of the win...

It's all about psychology and understanding the situation and the customer..let me explain:

Notice how Murdoch uses "I" and "we" (referring to NewCorp/HC) all the time, while Jobs almost entirely uses "you" or "we" (as in HC and Apple).

Take a look at Murdoch's language: " I thin[k] I have a handle on this now" - he's not sure "we we would like to be able to get something done with Apple" - done what exactly? very vague statement, no specific. blah. "The economics are simple enough" - are they really simple?

"we are worried about setting prices to high" - again, he doesn't sound confident or sure of himself

"Feel free to call or write anytime over the weekend to discuss if you like" - he is making himself available to Jobs over the weekend, giving Jobs the power to interrupt him "anytime", he takes a subservient/beta position in the negotiation, and gives the lead to Jobs.

Same sentiment here: "we would much rather be working with apple than not"

And this is quite painful:

"If we could offer to you that a certain percentage of releases (>50%) would be available within your pricing structure (More worries: "I think we are worried more about the absolute holdback of product elsewhere, and our ceding of pricing to Apple, than we are about the actual haggle over what the price will be." - This sentence sounds extremely vague, nothing is clearly qualified or quantified. Jobs just comes across as infinitely more knowledgeable on publishing and economics than Murdoch...

"I haven’t shared this with HC directly—so this is only hypothetical." - HYPOTHETICAL? He sounds like a time-waster, almost asks to be hardly negotiated with? Also, do we know who makes decisions here? Murdoch or HC?

"Please let me know."- again...PLEASE

"Is it worth considering in the round, over the next few months or weeks, whether or not some of these loose ends can be tidied up?" - Weeks or Months? Which one is it, James? More vague language...

Then contrast this with Jobs, "you" focused language and clear and simple arguments:

"The current business model of companies like Amazon distributing ebooks below cost or without making a reasonable profit isn’t sustainable for long. " - Jobs qualifies and frames Amazon's tactic in a sentence. Boom!

"All the major publishers tell us that Amazon’s $9.99 price for new releases is eroding the value perception of their products in customer’s minds, and they do not want this practice to continue for new releases." - ALL THE MAJOR publishers are on our side...i.e. NewsCorp/HC side too...

And some more clear, concise and action-oriented language: "All the major publishers tell us" "Apple is proposing" "Analysts estimate" "Customers will demand"

Person A does action B etc etc

Jobs sounds like a man who has done his research, both among other publishers, his competition (Amazon), and knows what customers want. Murdoch has done NONE and only "worries" about NewsCorp, coming across as weak and vague. Pathetic.

Jobs' language is "YOU" focused ("focus on your customer and their pains / benefits mantra" used in copywriting, advertising,etc).

"you will want this too"

"If you stick with just Amazon, Sony, etc., you will likely be sitting on the sidelines of the mainstream ebook revolution."

"You will make a bit more money in the short term, but in the medium term Amazon will tell you they will be paying you 70% of $9.99."

"Once we open things up for the second tier of publishers, we will have plenty of books to offer. We’d love to have HC among them." - here Jobs almost frames HC as a second tier publisher...urging HC to move to first tier or else they are going to miss out...

Jobs gives reasons behind his statements, e.g.

"Our proposal does set the upper limit for ebook retail pricing based on the hardcover price of each book."

Why?

"The reason we are doing this is that, with our experience selling a lot of content online, we simply don’t think the ebook market can be successful with pricing higher than $12.99 or $14.99. "

Jobs offers reasons, solutions, analysis. Murdoch brings nothing, but "worries" and woolly arguments to the table.

And finally, to win Murdcoch over to his side, Jobs does a fair amount of fear-mongering:

"the current situation is not sustainable and not a strong foundation upon which to build an ebook business."

"You will make a bit more money in the short term, but in the medium term Amazon will tell you they will be paying you 70% of $9.99"

"Hold back your books from Amazon. Without a way for customers to buy your ebooks, they will steal them."

Kudos to Jobs! What a great display of: - Framing - Focus on the customer (YOU language) - Appeal to other's needs - Understand and address their fears - Provide reasons and analysis in support of your arguments

And many more little gems, that I most likely have missed out!

Jobs had truly been one of the bests (if not THE BEST) marketer/negotiators/CEO of our era.

Re: Steve Jobs emails that show how to win a negotiation

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When I visit the URL, I appear to be reaching a different article, titled "China manufacturing shrinks in May, leaving policymakers with few good options"

What gives?

Edit: I end up on

the-steve-jobs-emails-that-show-how-to-win-a-hard-nosed-negotiation/#87589/china-manufacturing-contracts-in-may-leaving-policymakers-with-few-good-options/

I'm browsing with IE9, I assume the JS is borked.

Re: Steve Jobs emails that show how to win a negotiation

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post #155

Here is a vital lesson about how to make arguments and win in a negotiation, but nobody here has picked up on it. You are instead focusing on the numbers...which is a small part of the win... It's all about psychology and understanding the situation and the customer..let me explain: Notice how Murdoch uses "I" and "we" (referring to NewCorp/HC) all the time, while Jobs almost entirely uses "you" or "we" (as in HC and…

So it seems Jobs (skillfully) bullied Murdoch into accepting his offer.

Re: Steve Jobs emails that show how to win a negotiation

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post #156
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The is beautiful. Jobs is great at stating his position in a way that is simple and direct, yet crushing.

Careful, anti-Jobs sentiment is strong here.

I find it amusing that someone further up[0] believes the exact opposite - "Jobs hero-worship" is still strong here...

I'm sure it depends on the threads you read.

[0]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5754440

Re: Steve Jobs emails that show how to win a negotiation

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> Analysts estimate that Amazon has sold more than one million Kindles in 18+ months (Amazon has never said). We will sell more of our new devices than all of the Kindles ever sold during the first few weeks they are on sale. If you stick with just Amazon, Sony, etc., you will likely be sitting on the sidelines of the mainstream ebook revolution. Hindsight is a funny thing. Amazon's eBook/Kindle business is continuin…

"In Steve's world, Apple's raising the price by 30% and then taking 30% is a benefit to the customer and not Apple" The price was already $12.99. The fact that Amazon was willing to eat a large amount of that price on a tiny volume of ebooks in the short term doesn't mean that would have favored consumers in the long term. Today, with agency pricing, the average price of an ebook is around $8. Hasn't that benefited c…

> Today, with agency pricing, the average price of an ebook is around $8. Hasn't that benefited consumers?

Thanks to the settlement, Amazon can now [again] charge what it would like and the result was an immediate drop for titles by publishers that settled. Consumers were hurt by Apple and have benefited from the DOJ's case against Apple's business practices.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/80961.html

> The settlement approved Thursday requires the publishers not only to kill their contracts with Apple within a week but also to end contracts with any e-book retailers that specifically place restrictions on a retailer’s ability to set prices on e-books. And the settlement also bars the publishers from granting a retailer “most favored nation” status for five years.

And: http://www.mhpbooks.com/amazon-begins-discounting-macmillan-...

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