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Re: Steve Jobs emails that show how to win a negotiation

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2) Doubt this is a fair comparison. Kindles are clearly a superior device for reading than iPads.

Not for all. 1) Reading for me involves access to a browser and typing on a kindle is deeply unpleasant. 2) Reading in the dark requires a light and the attachments for the kindle have all seemed a kludge to me. That said, the iPad is imperfect here are the screen doesn't dim enough.

"Reading in the dark requires a light and the attachments for the kindle have all seemed a kludge to me."

Kindle Paperwhite has an LED backlit screen with an e-ink display that sounds like exactly what you want.

Re: Steve Jobs emails that show how to win a negotiation

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Yeah, but again, that's back when you'd be talking with all these different retail stores to get your book to the customer. Plus printing, shipping, all that. How about 1) Write book. 2) Spend a day or two getting it on Amazon, Apple, B&N online. 3) Keep 100%. Might be harder for authors who need marketing but I have no idea why established authors aren't self-publishing en masse.

> How about 1) Write book. 2) Spend a day or two getting it on Amazon, Apple, B&N online. 3) Keep 100%. Might be harder for authors who need marketing but I have no idea why established authors aren't self-publishing en masse. The issue there is that if no one knows about you or your book, 100% of nothing is still nothing. Publishers also often provide advances, which can be make a big difference. Note that I am not…

There have been numerous posts by authors (some here on HN) that publishers offer very little marketing these days.

You have to do the marketing legwork yourself, even if you are with a major publisher.

The advances might be the one thing they offer, but then Kickstarter might be an option.

Re: Steve Jobs emails that show how to win a negotiation

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My two big takeaways from this are: 1. Amazon sells every Kindle ebook at a loss of $3 -- they pay $13 wholesale and sell it for $9.99. I thought this was a typo, but then Jobs repeated the figure (though he said $12.50). It was my impression that Amazon also sells the Kindle itself at near-cost, so does that mean that Amazon's entire ebook business has been running at a loss the whole time? 2. Jobs certainly did win…

All I took away from this was that AAPL wanted to make about $0, AMZN wanted to make about -$3, and in both cases the author makes about $3, meaning that of the $13 wholesale, the publisher is getting a 75% cut of the sale. I cannot fathom that the publisher performs any function possibly worth this much money. How, since we no longer have to ship dead trees, have we not evolved a system that gives authors 75% of the…

I cannot fathom that the publisher performs any function possibly worth this much money. How, since we no longer have to ship dead trees, have we not evolved a system that gives authors 75% of the sale price?

Because the dead trees are only about 10% of the cost of publishing a book (and since the tax laws for ebooks are different in many countries that saving is often immediately eaten up by higher taxes).

Because many (most?) authors want to spend their time writing - not publishing. Because producing a book takes time and money. Because publishers also essentially act as the VCs of the book market. Most authors don't earn out their advances.

Take a look at the breakdown of the cost of a bestseller http://journal.bookfinder.com/2009/03/breakdown-of-book-cost... for some vague evidence on how much money publishers actually make out of a book.

(The slice taken by marketing in the above seems high from what others have told me. Its also a somewhat simplistic breakdown since it ignores some of the long-term costs from publishers that aren't related to "books" directly. e.g. the advances to authors who never get published, etc. - so the potential publisher profits aren't quite as large as they appear here - there's other overhead outside the printing/distributing/selling books bit)

Also see http://ireaderreview.com/2009/05/03/book-cost-analysis-cost-...

It's also something Charlie Stross has posted about a fair bit see this collection of posts http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2010/04/common-m...

TL;DR - people think about book prices being related to cost of producing media. That's like thinking software costs are mostly about the price of printing DVDs or shifting bits. It's mostly about book development costs - not media costs.

Re: Steve Jobs emails that show how to win a negotiation

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(I'm the author.) That's a totally fair point about the subject headings, Larry. They're intended to make the emails more accessible and scannable, but of course they oversimplify things. On the other hand, these emails are ultimately more about being Steve Jobs than winning a negotiation. And thanks, Dan. Much love to DocumentCloud for making the OCR of those PDFs super easy.

I liked the piece but my take is a bit different since I practically make a living by doing negotiations primarily by email. (Email is perfect it allows you to remove facial expressions and tone of voice which can be a drawback if not perfectly executed. Not to mention having to think on your feet and not be able to do what I describe below). One thing that I do do is to very very carefully choose my words and analyz…

also, there isn't a single typo in jobs' emails (at least anything immediately obvious), whilst in comparison murdoch's responses seem sloppily written and careless.. as you've pointed out, it does seem as though a lot of effort went into jobs' emails.. and in the end, it would seem the effort paid off..

Re: Steve Jobs emails that show how to win a negotiation

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AAPL makes $3~4. Publishers are who "make" the writers in the first place (unfortunately) by shouldering the distribution, marketing, etc. Without them (or without the author being e-famous(tm) already), an author can't hope to sustain himself through writing. Maybe things would change if we were more willing to "pay" for discovering content creators through our own time investment, but this is doubtful.

eBook distribution is now handled by Amazon, BN and Apple. No reason to pay the old publishers for that.

Amazon, BN, and Apple don't pay advances (...to the vast majority of authors. Maybe a few exceptions for big name exclusives).

Many authors write books, send them to their agent to sell, and then get paid up-front by a publisher, followed by an agreed royalty should the book sell more than a certain amount. This offers a certain amount of security, more so than self-publishing.

The more important point is that for many authors, the international markets are a big source of revenue. Self publishing in English is one thing - sorting out the translation is quite another.

I think it's important to not tar all publishers with the same brush. There are actually a growing number of independent publishers dedicated to the indie/digital space.

Re: Steve Jobs emails that show how to win a negotiation

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They're different, sure; I prefer staring at the lightbulb, apparently.

You guys are funny. It's simple: Kindles are better for books and iPads are better for magazines and color.

...and web.

Re: Steve Jobs emails that show how to win a negotiation

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Not for all. 1) Reading for me involves access to a browser and typing on a kindle is deeply unpleasant. 2) Reading in the dark requires a light and the attachments for the kindle have all seemed a kludge to me. That said, the iPad is imperfect here are the screen doesn't dim enough.

If you jailbreak, there's f.lux which greatly helps and there's another tweak which makes the lowest brightness even lower. It's a great combo and changed the game for night-reading on the iPad for me.

Thank you - I'll investigate. I've only ever got funny looks when I say 'how far can you dim it' to people with devices I might want to use in the dark.
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