This ruling only applies to the 5 boroughs of New York City, not the entire state.
New York State was named after New York City.
Washington DC was named after George Washington, but that doesn't make it a person.
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#132I've had this argument with several people. Their position is that "it's my house/apartment, I should be able to do what I want with it" (even when renting they use this argument). My argument is that this is not and has never been true. You can't, for example, run a tannery in your apartment. What's more, as a resident (and especially if I were an owner) I wouldn't want my building being a de facto hotel. An endless…
> You can't, for example, run a tannery in your apartment. I would prefer that you could, in the (perhaps unlikely) scenario that it was allowed by the terms of your rental agreement. If it's your own property, go right ahead. > What's more, as a resident (and especially if I were an owner) I wouldn't want my building being a de facto hotel. Many residents would probably agree, and if enough agree, then there's no re…
> If it's your own property, go right ahead.
Yep, this is the problem with services like AirBnB and Uber. It's embraces a purely selfish attitude in individuals with blatant disregard for the rest of the community.
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#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The whole sharing economy thing is unsafe, ridiculous, and kind of pathetic. How do New Yorkers win by having less choice?
I am a New Yorker and I win by not having someone here for the short term vs an actual neighbor. This is a hotel no matter which way you try and paint it.
Can't you get the same thing by choosing to live somewhere that contractually prevents AirBnB rather than prohibiting it for everyone?
> This is a hotel no matter which way you try and paint it.
How is renting out your apartment 3 weekends a year a hotel? You can currently do that on craigslist, it's just harder to connect buyers and sellers.
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#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
New York State was named after New York City.
Washington DC was named after George Washington, but that doesn't make it a person.
But both New York City and New York State are places. When someone just says "New York," going by which place had that name first is a reasonable way of resolving the ambiguity.
Also: "York" is a city in England. It should be apparent that "New York" also refers to a city. "New York State" is the state in which the city of "New York" happens to be.
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#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You can't, for example, run a tannery in your apartment. I would prefer that you could, in the (perhaps unlikely) scenario that it was allowed by the terms of your rental agreement. If it's your own property, go right ahead. > What's more, as a resident (and especially if I were an owner) I wouldn't want my building being a de facto hotel. Many residents would probably agree, and if enough agree, then there's no re…
> If it's your own property, go right ahead. Yep, this is the problem with services like AirBnB and Uber. It's embraces a purely selfish attitude in individuals with blatant disregard for the rest of the community.
How does Uber harm the community?
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#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
At the end of the day, it's a hotel. I don't want to live next to someone from somewhere else who isn't here to be my neighbor. What about my rights?
What makes you think you have any kind of right to choose who lives next to you, or to have a say in what they do with their property? If you take Airbnb out of the equation, the assertion is ridiculous.
Well, for one thing, I got an apartment in building where I knew sub-leasing was not allowed.
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#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
The term that's involved in this is "externality": costs that are imposed on people not involved in the actual transaction (use of the place for payment). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Externality You rightly point out, that, for instance, in a crowded apartment building, having something like a dynamite storage facility would probably be a bad idea. However, other things might be annoying too, such as having children…
Yeah, AirBnB basically seems to be an exercise in converting externalities into profit.
That might be true if your worldview started and ended at the edge of NYC. For the rest of us, AirBnB is used across the country in suburbs and less populous cities.
If you have a two family house and "air out" the second apartment, how exactly is that converting externalities into profit?
I'm not sure a densely populated city should really make any objections to externalities.
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#138I thought this was America! Huh? Isn't this America? I'm sorry, I thought this was America. -Randy
I just went on a european trip and used airbnb. Houseboat in Amsterdam (super awesome place) My "Experience" was wonderful. However, I did feel that the security deposit was unsettling. Their word against mine kind of thing. So it goes. I guess we will just leave the hotel business to the professionals. How did 9flats avoid this?
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#139The intention of the law is irrelevant once it becomes law. Airbnb will never win this fight because it's obvious what the law targets: prostitution and illegal hotels. That said, there are alternatives where you can stay with people for free, although that will be a lot more difficult. In that case, it would not be considered renting.
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#140Few things that should be pointed out here: 1) First off, most uses in the city have always been against the rules -- it's been a known issue. 2) from TFA: "this law is only actionable as a secondary offense. For example, if the police show up after a noise complaint and then find you renting out your place, only then are you in extra trouble." So it's not going to stop most hosts in their tracks. 3) AFAIK, there is…
Wouldn't it be smart of airbnb to not allow people in cities known that their services are illegal not to allow people to post those apartments ?
No because 1) There are probably still some people in those cities that can legitimately rent and 2) that would lower revenues. As it stands they can turn a blind eye and put the liability on the homeowner/renter.