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At Google Conference, Cameras Even in the Bathroom

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Re: At Google Conference, Cameras Even in the Bathroom

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Post by Cushman »

freehunter wrote: post #103
Cushman wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without judgment or implication-- I'm curious if you feel the same standard applies to a woman who notices a man is staring at her chest.

Naked? In the bathroom? With an expectation of privacy? Yes. Yes I do. Crimes don't exist in a vacuum, there are factors that make the actions cross lines. A man glancing at a women's chest or a woman glancing at a man's rear end is not becoming of a professional, but it's not a crime. Repeated offense and an escalating situation? Then it becomes a crime. Likewise, nudity and expectation of privacy are factors that g…

No, to clarify, I mean just in public on the train or at a concert or a bar or whatever. The sorts of places where "mild" sexual assault of women by unfamiliar men is rather routine-- I'd posit much more common than assault of men by unfamiliar men in public restrooms, though I'm open to correction on that.

My underlying question being, at what point does looking put one in enough fear of touching that preemptive escalation to violence is warranted? Because from what I'm told by female friends, that fear is fairly commonplace in their lives, while violence is rather more rare.

Re: At Google Conference, Cameras Even in the Bathroom

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Post by glomph »

kruhft wrote: post #65
DanBC wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Charlie Brooker, Black Mirror , Series one episode three, "The Entire History of You" is pretty good television sf version of this kind of thing.

Seconded, all 3 episodes of Black Mirror are excellent stories about an imminent future that I'm not sure we really want to come about (except for the art project ;-).

There are 6 now!

Re: At Google Conference, Cameras Even in the Bathroom

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Post by ryanmcbride »

corresation wrote: post #60
cs702 wrote: post #4

This is a well-written piece, simultaneously praising and mocking Google Glass, with lots of memorable passages that made me smile or laugh. Let me quote just one of them: "At one point as I climbed the stairs and approached the second floor, I saw a group of five people wearing Google Glass, all silently staring off into space. I couldn’t tell if they were wirelessly having a conversation through their eyeballs, or…

To offer a counterpoint, I thought it was a terribly written piece that is like "cliches about glass 101". Sure he had the conversation with the gentleman regarding winking...or maybe he read about that app and thought he would milk the "Google Glass dystopia" a little further (he had another ridiculous piece that made waves about Google Glass' "shine" wearing off, which is funny because I've read the same fear-monge…

But with google glass, suddenly small discrete cameras will be everywhere! Not like today, where for a picture to be taken, a huge flash bulb has to explode, and the subject has to stand perfectly still for 10 minutes.

Re: At Google Conference, Cameras Even in the Bathroom

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Post by CrazedGeek »

kruhft wrote: post #65
DanBC wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Charlie Brooker, Black Mirror , Series one episode three, "The Entire History of You" is pretty good television sf version of this kind of thing.

Seconded, all 3 episodes of Black Mirror are excellent stories about an imminent future that I'm not sure we really want to come about (except for the art project ;-).

(Good news: they made three more episodes :) )

Re: At Google Conference, Cameras Even in the Bathroom

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Post by untog »

marknutter wrote: post #72
kanamekun wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> AFAIK nobody has declared that the purpose of Glass is to "free us from having to look at [oure] phone[s]". Here's a quote on that topic from Isabelle Olsson, lead industrial designer for Google Glass: "One day, I went to work — I live in SF and I have to commute to Mountain View and there are these shuttles — I went to the shuttle stop and I saw a line of not 10 people but 15 people standing in a row like this," s…

I still read that as a very specific use case. I very much doubt that if you were to ask her if Glass would eventually remove the need for a phone altogether she would say yes.

That doesn't seem like a specific use case at all. Where the person happens to be standing when they are using their phone is unrelated to the example, really.

Re: At Google Conference, Cameras Even in the Bathroom

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Post by Cushman »

jt2190 wrote: post #98
Cushman wrote: post #86

"I’ve been a nerd all my life, [but] I felt like a mere mortal among an entirely different class of super-connected humans." This is the most insightful passage in there, though it's probably unintentional. There is a separation taking place between "nerds" who enjoy the practical benefits of new technologies in their day-to-day lives, and those who believe that new technologies should and will alter our species in w…

I'm not worried that someone might take a picture of my dick. I'm worried that it's still very hard to explain to a large drunk gentleman that you didn't take a picture of his dick when his fist is smashing into your mouth. ;-)

On the flip side, I'm excited by the idea that someone won't be able to punch me in the face for any reason without some fairly conclusive evidence testifying to that effect.

'Course that doesn't help me if I really did take a picture of his dick.

Re: At Google Conference, Cameras Even in the Bathroom

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Post by pfortuny »

ignostic wrote: post #2

We should never have had any expectation of privacy in public places. I think what scares most people is that they're going to end up on the internet for some reason. Perhaps this shows how self-obsessed we are: to think that anyone is going to care about us walking down the street minding our own business. Maybe it's the uncertainty that makes people uneasy. I can walk down the street recording everyone with my smar…

Not being secret != being public.

They are very different concepts and trying to force secrecy for privacy is against normal behaviour.

Go ask any old Russian about this.

Re: At Google Conference, Cameras Even in the Bathroom

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Post by deathcakes »

Nrsolis wrote: post #88
potatolicious wrote: post #82

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Would you like my penis length while we're at this? I was interested in a discussion, not credentialing, posturing, and condescension. Why are you after all of the above?

Hey, you're the one offering a legal opinion. I'm willing to bet my experience with the justice system beats yours. For one thing, I've lived in the USA for my entire life. For another, I've lived in several states. For yet another, I've been involved in an altercation that came to the notice of the police. Several in fact. I'm still walking around a free man with nary a scratch on my record. So my experience would s…

I think you have comprehensively proved that yours is bigger.

Re: At Google Conference, Cameras Even in the Bathroom

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Post by hnriot »

ryanmcbride wrote: post #113
corresation wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To offer a counterpoint, I thought it was a terribly written piece that is like "cliches about glass 101". Sure he had the conversation with the gentleman regarding winking...or maybe he read about that app and thought he would milk the "Google Glass dystopia" a little further (he had another ridiculous piece that made waves about Google Glass' "shine" wearing off, which is funny because I've read the same fear-monge…

But with google glass, suddenly small discrete cameras will be everywhere! Not like today, where for a picture to be taken, a huge flash bulb has to explode, and the subject has to stand perfectly still for 10 minutes.

Not exactly discreet, anyone wearing the dorky glasses will be automatically labeled dork, and when they start winking at things they want to photograph it will just be super creepy.

Re: At Google Conference, Cameras Even in the Bathroom

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Post by freehunter »

Cushman wrote: post #111
freehunter wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Naked? In the bathroom? With an expectation of privacy? Yes. Yes I do. Crimes don't exist in a vacuum, there are factors that make the actions cross lines. A man glancing at a women's chest or a woman glancing at a man's rear end is not becoming of a professional, but it's not a crime. Repeated offense and an escalating situation? Then it becomes a crime. Likewise, nudity and expectation of privacy are factors that g…

No, to clarify, I mean just in public on the train or at a concert or a bar or whatever. The sorts of places where "mild" sexual assault of women by unfamiliar men is rather routine-- I'd posit much more common than assault of men by unfamiliar men in public restrooms, though I'm open to correction on that. My underlying question being, at what point does looking put one in enough fear of touching that preemptive esc…

I think I've adequately described the situation I'm referring to and the reason I feel violence is justified in that situation. Somehow you're ignoring all that. If you're in a bathroom, you're inherently close quarters, there's generally only one exit, there is an implied expectation of privacy, and witnesses are not plentiful. It's pretty obvious when looking has potential to turn to touching. That line exists right around the distance that touching is possible. If I can land a solid punch on someone's nose without taking a step, they're too close.

I'm trying to figure out what your agenda is; if you're trying to lead me into a trap. Are you trying to catch me saying that I don't hold the same standard to women? Because your "at a concert or on a train or in a bar" example misses the whole "nude" and "expectations of privacy" part of this story, not to mention the "trapped in a room with one exit and no witnesses".

Would I cross the room to punch someone? No. Would I use force to get them away from me? Well, isn't there a whole industry built up around women's self defense courses? I'm not answering your question because I don't feel comfortable with your intentions. I think you know the answer, I just don't know what you're trying to get me to say.

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