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At Google Conference, Cameras Even in the Bathroom

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Re: At Google Conference, Cameras Even in the Bathroom

#81

I am just confused as to why taking off your Glass will not be similar to other common social bathroom courtesies like putting away your cell phone, or utilizing family bathrooms, etc. Once a stigma is in place at the social level, it will work itself out. If not, there is always the direct approach of just asking someone to put it away.

Do you take off your normal glasses while using the bathroom?

Do you need your Google Glasses to see?

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post #74

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> "And I think you'd have a hard time getting a jury to convict someone of punching another guy in the nose for filming them in the bathroom." No, that conviction will be a slam dunk, because there's video evidence of it. You'll also score a simultaneous conviction for running afoul of peeping tom laws, because filming in a bathroom is as you mentioned illegal in many jurisdictions. The only winner here is the prosec…

Heh. Wanna bet? You seem to have a quaint notion of how the justice system works. Video evidence? Probably wont be surpressed by defense. Probably wont be contested because it's obtained as the result of an illegal act. The jury will probably not agree with the defense that the video represented the first stage of an attack by people who film attacks to gain notariety in the Internet. Probably. If you agree to post y…

Would you like my penis length while we're at this? I was interested in a discussion, not credentialing, posturing, and condescension. Why are you after all of the above?

Re: At Google Conference, Cameras Even in the Bathroom

#83
post #67

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Because it's happened. Pervasive surveillance has already caused shifts in behavior that wouldn't exist without them. For one thing, teenage fights are filmed by bystanders and replayed/posted on the Internet. Pictures of women in compromised positions (children even) are passed around schools. Cyberbullying (even though I hate that term) is easier and more anonymous because of these tools. If you're the victim, it c…

>Pervasive surveillance has already caused shifts in behavior that wouldn't exist without them. But all of those things existed even before the means to record them. People would fight. Women would be spied on. Children would be bullied. But taking pictures of people in a bathroom is not something that was common or accepted before, apparently, yesterday. We've had the means to record the bathrooms for quite a long t…

I think the worry is that once the cameras become commonplace, it'll make the barrier that much lower. Once the barrier is lowered, more people will feel like there is little harm in crossing it.

Re: At Google Conference, Cameras Even in the Bathroom

#84
post #53

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See, there is where you are wrong. There are NUMEROUS statutes that prohibit the surreptitious filming of people where a reasonable expectation of privacy exists. I think a bathroom qualifies. And I think you'd have a hard time getting a jury to convict someone of punching another guy in the nose for filming them in the bathroom. Honestly, do you think the VERY FACT that he has a camera running at the time he gets pu…

> "And I think you'd have a hard time getting a jury to convict someone of punching another guy in the nose for filming them in the bathroom." No, that conviction will be a slam dunk, because there's video evidence of it. You'll also score a simultaneous conviction for running afoul of peeping tom laws, because filming in a bathroom is as you mentioned illegal in many jurisdictions. The only winner here is the prosec…

If someone is standing 20 feet from me recording, that's a different story. If someone is standing less than a foot from me and I discover him violating me, he's close enough to do physical harm. Perfectly justified in doing everything in my power to put some range between him and I. It's called self defense. The mere threat of physical violence coupled with the ongoing act of sexual harassment is enough justification for self defense.

A beatdown? No. A fist to the face or an elbow to the chest to get him away? You'd better believe it. There's not much room to run to safety when you're cornered at a urinal.

Re: At Google Conference, Cameras Even in the Bathroom

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post #30

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Really? If someone was indiscreetly peering over your shoulder to check out your package, you would let them know that it made you upset? Excuse me good sir, I do believe you are offending me? Where I come from, that's more than an indiscretion. We're not talking about a locker room.

Violence without immediate danger is never morally ok. It is vile and barbaric.

A person that has already eschewed the moral code of society to such an extent would not be phased by their targets' words of disapproval.

A voyeur would consider the risk of being yelled at, reported to a local authority (such as a bar owner), being thrown out of an establishment, etc. They would consider these risks and weigh the consequences and determine that they are worth it in the end. They would still get what they wanted, and would be free to carry on their activities in the future, perhaps at another establishment or after enough time had passed.

But the risk of physical violence, that's not so easily dismissed.

Re: At Google Conference, Cameras Even in the Bathroom

#86
"I’ve been a nerd all my life, [but] I felt like a mere mortal among an entirely different class of super-connected humans."

This is the most insightful passage in there, though it's probably unintentional. There is a separation taking place between "nerds" who enjoy the practical benefits of new technologies in their day-to-day lives, and those who believe that new technologies should and will alter our species in ways that frighten us.

And that's nothing new; many (most?) Baby Boomers implicitly distrust PCs and the Internet, let alone smartphones, but many others realize that they are living in the most interesting time of their lives and wish they'd been born a little later.

To be honest, though, I'm a little surprised to see this separation take place so early; Glass is a charmingly inoffensive vision of things to come that really shouldn't be shocking to anyone with an iPhone. If you're worried today that someone might take a picture of your dick, you will be absolutely horrified at what we have become before you die.

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post #42

Creepers have been creeping for years and years and years. They peer through curtains; they make spyholes in cubicle walls, and with digital cameras they hide cameras in ceilings and books and showers and shoes. Voyeuristic porn is a category. Upskirt is word popular enough to have an understood meaning. I'm a bloke. I'm not worried by those creepers. But I am uneasy about some users of Google Glass. I'd be really un…

I have a feeling that when/if Glass becomes popular enough it will become a social faux pas to be wearing Glass while looking at a woman. Can you imagine some guy wearing Glass staring at a pretty girl across the way? It's creepy enough without Glass; it's super creepy with. As such, I'm betting it will be considered polite to prop Glass up on your head when interacting with people.

It is only a social faux pas for certain people to look at a woman while wearing Glass.

Re: At Google Conference, Cameras Even in the Bathroom

#88
post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heh. Wanna bet? You seem to have a quaint notion of how the justice system works. Video evidence? Probably wont be surpressed by defense. Probably wont be contested because it's obtained as the result of an illegal act. The jury will probably not agree with the defense that the video represented the first stage of an attack by people who film attacks to gain notariety in the Internet. Probably. If you agree to post y…

Would you like my penis length while we're at this? I was interested in a discussion, not credentialing, posturing, and condescension. Why are you after all of the above?

Hey, you're the one offering a legal opinion. I'm willing to bet my experience with the justice system beats yours.

For one thing, I've lived in the USA for my entire life.

For another, I've lived in several states.

For yet another, I've been involved in an altercation that came to the notice of the police. Several in fact. I'm still walking around a free man with nary a scratch on my record.

So my experience would seem to be directly on point and in direct contradiction to your opinion of how these things go in my country and state.

But hey, if you think your penis is so wonderful, feel free to provide a picture link. I promise not to share it.

Re: At Google Conference, Cameras Even in the Bathroom

#89
post #42

Creepers have been creeping for years and years and years. They peer through curtains; they make spyholes in cubicle walls, and with digital cameras they hide cameras in ceilings and books and showers and shoes. Voyeuristic porn is a category. Upskirt is word popular enough to have an understood meaning. I'm a bloke. I'm not worried by those creepers. But I am uneasy about some users of Google Glass. I'd be really un…

I have a feeling that when/if Glass becomes popular enough it will become a social faux pas to be wearing Glass while looking at a woman. Can you imagine some guy wearing Glass staring at a pretty girl across the way? It's creepy enough without Glass; it's super creepy with. As such, I'm betting it will be considered polite to prop Glass up on your head when interacting with people.

Or just take it off. Remember when people kept their bluetooth earpiece in their ear all the time?

Re: At Google Conference, Cameras Even in the Bathroom

#90

> Many were using their cellphones while wearing the glasses — defeating a declared purpose of the new gadget, to free you from having to look at your phone. Another man continually looked at his watch to check the time, even through the glasses display a clock right above your eye. I get that the author is trying to be humorous but I fear that some people may take some of his criticisms seriously. AFAIK nobody has d…

> Glass is going to take off with the active crowd. It's perfect for people who either have jobs or hobbies that require the extended use of their hands.

I think Recon is not getting enough recognition. They have been selling a real product for a couple of years and now they announced a new one http://jet.reconinstruments.com

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