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At Google Conference, Cameras Even in the Bathroom

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Re: At Google Conference, Cameras Even in the Bathroom

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Post by dghughes »

My concern is people like myself who wear prescription eye glasses who may want to try Google Glass so end up putting the device on prescription glasses. It's one thing to remove your Google Glass glasses to be polite or legal i.e. washroom, locker room, driving a vehicle but for me that wouldn't be an option.

Also, I wonder if I could make a pair of infrared LEDs put them on my person somewhere to emit an interference beam pattern to mess up the camera on someone else's Google Glass glasses.

Re: At Google Conference, Cameras Even in the Bathroom

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Post by georgefox »

freehunter wrote: post #76
Nrsolis wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it's happened. Pervasive surveillance has already caused shifts in behavior that wouldn't exist without them. For one thing, teenage fights are filmed by bystanders and replayed/posted on the Internet. Pictures of women in compromised positions (children even) are passed around schools. Cyberbullying (even though I hate that term) is easier and more anonymous because of these tools. If you're the victim, it c…

>Pervasive surveillance has already caused shifts in behavior that wouldn't exist without them. But all of those things existed even before the means to record them. People would fight. Women would be spied on. Children would be bullied. But taking pictures of people in a bathroom is not something that was common or accepted before, apparently, yesterday. We've had the means to record the bathrooms for quite a long t…

It was never stated that the each of the men at the urinals was overtly taking photos of the next. The author has no way of knowing whether or not the men wearing the glasses and blinking were actually taking photos. The way I read it, that was kind of the point.

It's this inconspicuous nature that makes Glass so concerning. Personally, the stories I've heard about cameras in bathrooms often involved trying to conceal the camera. It's quite uncommon for someone to whip out a DSLR at a urinal and start snapping photos of the man next to him. If it were to happen, it would be pretty obvious. With Glass, all you have is a person in a bathroom wearing glasses and blinking.

Re: At Google Conference, Cameras Even in the Bathroom

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Post by freehunter »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #77
freehunter wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know what's vile and barbaric? Sexual harassment. Just because it's easier to see your broken nose than it is to see how traumatized a victim of sexual harassment is doesn't mean violence is immediately wrong. What you're arguing is for blaming the victim.

> What you're arguing is for blaming the victim. Telling the victim to not automatically respond with disproportionate violence is not "blaming the victim". If he'd said, "if you don't want pictures of your dick on the internet, don't pee at Google I/O," then you might have a point.

Listen to yourself, man! If someone peeked their head under a stall, would it be disproportionate violence to push him back out with your foot?

Seriously, sexual harassment is not a light crime. It does serious damage to the victim's mental state. There's no way of knowing if the perpetrator is going to take things further. If you want to state here right now that you feel that violence as a way to stop an ongoing act of close-quarters sexual harassment is a disproportionate response, then that's fine. But don't be surprised if other people in your society don't agree.

And yes, violating someone's privacy to see them naked when they obviously don't want to be seen is sexual harassment. Filming that takes it to the next level.

Re: At Google Conference, Cameras Even in the Bathroom

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Post by Cushman »

freehunter wrote: post #84
potatolicious wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "And I think you'd have a hard time getting a jury to convict someone of punching another guy in the nose for filming them in the bathroom." No, that conviction will be a slam dunk, because there's video evidence of it. You'll also score a simultaneous conviction for running afoul of peeping tom laws, because filming in a bathroom is as you mentioned illegal in many jurisdictions. The only winner here is the prosec…

If someone is standing 20 feet from me recording, that's a different story. If someone is standing less than a foot from me and I discover him violating me, he's close enough to do physical harm. Perfectly justified in doing everything in my power to put some range between him and I. It's called self defense. The mere threat of physical violence coupled with the ongoing act of sexual harassment is enough justificatio…

Without judgment or implication-- I'm curious if you feel the same standard applies to a woman who notices a man is staring at her chest.

Re: At Google Conference, Cameras Even in the Bathroom

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Post by pseut »

hkmurakami wrote: post #41
kaolinite wrote: post #40

In Japan and some other countries, there is a law requiring cameras to make loud noises so pictures cannot be taken discreetly. I wonder if this will apply to Glass and, if so, what Google will do to enable Glass to be sold in Japan. Is there even an external speaker with which they could make the noise? ( http://android.stackexchange.com/questions/32442/jurisdictio... )

I travelled to Japan in February and noticed that my Nexus 4 suddenly started to make shutter sounds when I snapped photos there, after I connected to my friend's wifi hotspot. Something similar will be implemented in Glass for sure. Of course, there are many workarounds around this, including separate camera applications.

recording video is an immediate workaround (I'm assuming that the phone doesn't continuously make shutter noises when it records video; if it does then nevermind).

Re: At Google Conference, Cameras Even in the Bathroom

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Post by Blara »

pseut wrote: post #89
marknutter wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a feeling that when/if Glass becomes popular enough it will become a social faux pas to be wearing Glass while looking at a woman. Can you imagine some guy wearing Glass staring at a pretty girl across the way? It's creepy enough without Glass; it's super creepy with. As such, I'm betting it will be considered polite to prop Glass up on your head when interacting with people.

Or just take it off. Remember when people kept their bluetooth earpiece in their ear all the time ?

except for those people who need glasses to see

Re: At Google Conference, Cameras Even in the Bathroom

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Post by pseut »

simonw wrote: post #69
ignostic wrote: post #2

We should never have had any expectation of privacy in public places. I think what scares most people is that they're going to end up on the internet for some reason. Perhaps this shows how self-obsessed we are: to think that anyone is going to care about us walking down the street minding our own business. Maybe it's the uncertainty that makes people uneasy. I can walk down the street recording everyone with my smar…

Your abusive ex-spouse who's trying to find out where you moved to may care very much about which street you are walking down.

This is exactly what bothers me about the constant nudges to share more information online. It's like no one's ever been stalked by an ex, been abused, etc...

Re: At Google Conference, Cameras Even in the Bathroom

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Post by jt2190 »

Cushman wrote: post #86

"I’ve been a nerd all my life, [but] I felt like a mere mortal among an entirely different class of super-connected humans." This is the most insightful passage in there, though it's probably unintentional. There is a separation taking place between "nerds" who enjoy the practical benefits of new technologies in their day-to-day lives, and those who believe that new technologies should and will alter our species in w…

I'm not worried that someone might take a picture of my dick. I'm worried that it's still very hard to explain to a large drunk gentleman that you didn't take a picture of his dick when his fist is smashing into your mouth. ;-)

Re: At Google Conference, Cameras Even in the Bathroom

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Post by microtherion »

dghughes wrote: post #91

My concern is people like myself who wear prescription eye glasses who may want to try Google Glass so end up putting the device on prescription glasses. It's one thing to remove your Google Glass glasses to be polite or legal i.e. washroom, locker room, driving a vehicle but for me that wouldn't be an option. Also, I wonder if I could make a pair of infrared LEDs put them on my person somewhere to emit an interferen…

Yes, that’s my concern as well. I used to think that as a prescription glass wearer, I’d be a natural early adopter of smart glasses, but given the privacy concerns, it’s bound to be socially (and sometimes legally) unacceptable to have smart glasses on all the time.

Re: At Google Conference, Cameras Even in the Bathroom

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Post by T-hawk »

hkmurakami wrote: post #15

Then I met the man who excitedly told me about his power to snap pictures with his eyelid. He explained that he uses the wink-to-take-a-picture feature so much that a few days ago he was not wearing his Google Glass and was confused when he blinked his eye and nothing happened. His mind had played a trick on him, he said. Well this itself isn't new, since I often reach to adjust my glasses even when I'm not wearing t…

Yeah. I sometimes reach to adjust my glasses too -- six years after LASIK correction.

Muscle memory is _really_ hard to break without conscious effort.

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