I am just confused as to why taking off your Glass will not be similar to other common social bathroom courtesies like putting away your cell phone, or utilizing family bathrooms, etc. Once a stigma is in place at the social level, it will work itself out. If not, there is always the direct approach of just asking someone to put it away.
At Google Conference, Cameras Even in the Bathroom
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#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not only will someone be able to retroactively stalk you, they'll be able to cut together their own version of reality. Imagine someone having every snapshot of you while you're having a bad day - scowling at a slow elderly person ahead of you on the stairs, flipping someone off while driving, a really bad photo of you with a bunch of drinks around you. Nevermind that you were trying to hurry to get up the stairs to…
Exactly, the "Mark Burnett problem" (producer of Survivor). I heard him claim in an interview that with enough footage he could create any perception of a person that he wanted (hero, jerk, brilliant, idiot, etc.). It seemed obvious after hearing it, but not something I had considered.
This can be seen as a modern incarnation of the famous (apocryphal?) Cardinal Richelieu's quote :
"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him."
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#63> Many were using their cellphones while wearing the glasses — defeating a declared purpose of the new gadget, to free you from having to look at your phone. Another man continually looked at his watch to check the time, even through the glasses display a clock right above your eye. I get that the author is trying to be humorous but I fear that some people may take some of his criticisms seriously. AFAIK nobody has d…
> AFAIK nobody has declared that the purpose of Glass is to "free us from having to look at [oure] phone[s]".
Here's a quote on that topic from Isabelle Olsson, lead industrial designer for Google Glass:
"One day, I went to work — I live in SF and I have to commute to Mountain View and there are these shuttles — I went to the shuttle stop and I saw a line of not 10 people but 15 people standing in a row like this," she puts her head down and mimics someone poking at a smartphone. "I don’t want to do that, you know? I don’t want to be that person. That’s when it dawned on me that, OK, we have to make this work. It’s bold. It’s crazy. But we think that we can do something cool with it."
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well legally they'd be perfectly within their rights to tape you telling them off. And if you got violent they'd have all the evidence they'd need to press charges, conveniently backed up into the cloud.
See, there is where you are wrong. There are NUMEROUS statutes that prohibit the surreptitious filming of people where a reasonable expectation of privacy exists. I think a bathroom qualifies. And I think you'd have a hard time getting a jury to convict someone of punching another guy in the nose for filming them in the bathroom. Honestly, do you think the VERY FACT that he has a camera running at the time he gets pu…
> "And I think you'd have a hard time getting a jury to convict someone of punching another guy in the nose for filming them in the bathroom."
No, that conviction will be a slam dunk, because there's video evidence of it.
You'll also score a simultaneous conviction for running afoul of peeping tom laws, because filming in a bathroom is as you mentioned illegal in many jurisdictions.
The only winner here is the prosecutor. The fact that party A was violating the law before party B assaulted him does not nullify party B's crime. The law doesn't really work that way. The bar for justifiable use of violence is legally high.
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
The thing with the people standing in a group staring blankly into space is a vision of the future; the reality nowadays is that they're holding something and looking down at it, doing roughly the same thing, but at least you can see clearly they're doing something. Haven't seen Glass in this country yet, but I can imagine it's something as disturbing as people talking on hands-free sets to phantom people.
Charlie Brooker, Black Mirror , Series one episode three, "The Entire History of You" is pretty good television sf version of this kind of thing.
Seconded, all 3 episodes of Black Mirror are excellent stories about an imminent future that I'm not sure we really want to come about (except for the art project ;-).
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think it's just that. I don't have any fear that any individual will film me, since this probably happens frequently anyway (how many strangers have me in the background of their pictures somewhere?). Nonetheless, the idea that there will eventually be cameras everywhere putting videos online, combined with technologies such as location-tagging and ever-better face recognition, means that in the not-too-dista…
"We informed you that under the new Citizen Bill of July,2040 we have revoked your right to vote, and travel without permit because you have been identified as a participant of the antisocial demonstrations of May, 2018." I know this sounds paranoid, but given past behaviour of totalitarian government, I don't see why any future techno-totalitarian society would not use that kind of tools. And my example is rather mi…
I really, really hope that if the world becomes a totalitarian hell hole I am not left fretting over my right to travel.
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#67>There they were, a handful of people wearing Google Glass, now standing next to me at their own urinals, peering their head from side to side, blinking or winking, as they relieved themselves. I wasn't there so I have to take his word for it, but... I really doubt that. Blinking, of course. People blink. But why, I cannot fathom, would everyone at a urinal be peering side to side and taking pictures of other people…
Because it's happened.
Pervasive surveillance has already caused shifts in behavior that wouldn't exist without them. For one thing, teenage fights are filmed by bystanders and replayed/posted on the Internet. Pictures of women in compromised positions (children even) are passed around schools. Cyberbullying (even though I hate that term) is easier and more anonymous because of these tools.
If you're the victim, it can feel as if you are fighting the entire world.
THAT's why I think someone would be well within their rights to take swift action to halt something like that in its tracks.
BTW, I'm certain it's the reason why police risk the backlash associated with taking cameras away from third-parties vs. having their actions armchair-quarterbacked by legions of second-guessers.
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#68 | But not me. I tried to duck my head and move
| out of the way of these strangers’ sneaky
| little cameras.
| here they were, a handful of people wearing
| Google Glass, now standing next to me at their
| own urinals
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#69We should never have had any expectation of privacy in public places. I think what scares most people is that they're going to end up on the internet for some reason. Perhaps this shows how self-obsessed we are: to think that anyone is going to care about us walking down the street minding our own business. Maybe it's the uncertainty that makes people uneasy. I can walk down the street recording everyone with my smar…
Your abusive ex-spouse who's trying to find out where you moved to may care very much about which street you are walking down.
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
Really? If someone was indiscreetly peering over your shoulder to check out your package, you would let them know that it made you upset? Excuse me good sir, I do believe you are offending me? Where I come from, that's more than an indiscretion. We're not talking about a locker room.
Violence without immediate danger is never morally ok. It is vile and barbaric.
You know what's vile and barbaric? Sexual harassment. Just because it's easier to see your broken nose than it is to see how traumatized a victim of sexual harassment is doesn't mean violence is immediately wrong. What you're arguing is for blaming the victim.