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A 75-Year Harvard Study Finds What It Takes To Live A Happy Life

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It's useful to parents.

did they isolate correlation from causation yet though..?

Funny you should mention that. Here's an extra bit from the book:

"Meaney wondered if a dam’s licking-and-groorning frequency was just a proxy for some genetic trait that was passed on from mother to child. Maybe nervous dams produced temperamentally nervous pups, and those dams also coincidentally happened to be less inclined to lick and groom. To test that hypothesis, Meaney and his researchers did a number of cross-fostering experiments, in which they removed pups at birth from a high-LG dam and put them in the litter of a low-LG dam, and vice versa, in all kinds of combinations.

Whatever permutation they chose, though, however they performed the experiment, they found the same thing: what mattered was not the licking-andgrooming habits of the biological mother; it was the licking-and-grooming habits of the rearing mother. When a pup received the comforting experience of licking and grooming as an infant, it grew up to be braver and bolder and better adjusted than a pup who hadn't, whether or not its biological mother was the one who had done the licking and grooming."

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A lot of people who had bad parents want to be better parents than what they experienced. Articles can definitely affect their behavior. How do I know this? Because I'm one of them!

You're right - I had my blinders on. And ... good for you!

Either that or you're a narcissist and insist on everything being about you. "What's with the baby clothes section on Amazon? Babies can't buy clothes."

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Working, solving problems. Days where I can work on my side projects for the entire day without being interrupted are like a gift from god. I hate being around people because it comes down to either just sitting there and listening to other people converse, or trying to contribute to a conversation and making a fool of myself.

Why is "solving the problem" of "trying to contribute to a conversation and not making a fool of myself" something that doesn't makes you happy?

After a point, its no longer a problem you are solving - it's saying "you/I am a problem"

You could learn lots of tricks to be a better conversationalist, you could practice and make habits. But at some point you won't move the needle and you won't be changing.

And if you've never seen the wreck of a human being that shows up when you define your natural (normal) inclinations as a problem, then you are fortunate.

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Working, solving problems. Days where I can work on my side projects for the entire day without being interrupted are like a gift from god. I hate being around people because it comes down to either just sitting there and listening to other people converse, or trying to contribute to a conversation and making a fool of myself.

Why is "solving the problem" of "trying to contribute to a conversation and not making a fool of myself" something that doesn't makes you happy?

Because there's no cerebral solution to that problem short of going out there and making yourself look like an idiot until you don't looks like an idiot anymore.

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Ack. Reliable or not, I'm sure it was meant as a feel-good piece, but for people like me the quote:- "Vaillant’s key takeaway, in his own words: “The seventy-five years and twenty million dollars expended on the Grant Study points … to a straightforward five-word conclusion: ‘Happiness is love. Full stop.’" Is actually very depressing. I am 5'5" so have this (if you've not encountered it you are unlikely to be aware)…

I'm 5'3", it is an insane disadvantage. Even if that's false, no amount of words will change the belief -- it's experiences that change that.

But we both know that, no matter how fucked up you are, there are girls who would consider you "good enough". Your job is to go out and find out what those girls are like. One of two things will happen: either you're fine with those girls; or you'll suddenly find a massive motivation to improve yourself (for an endgame of what's possible, see Seth Green)

Your only problem right now is ignorance. Go out and change that.

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Sorry, I don't have a link for you, but I've recently read that one of the problems that many parents who live in poverty have is that they simply do not know what is necessary to be a good parent. The specific example was with respect to talking to infants - that talking to children who do not yet have the power of speech makes an enormous difference in the development of verbal and cognitive ability. Rich infants h…

I'd like to see your data on this and whether the studies they did corrected for genetics. A lot of these studies like where parents talked to their kids more and the kids ended up being smarter ended up being proven false because there was no 'control' in these groups, children who were adopted, etc. Check out Steven Pinker's The Blank Slate. This talk sums it up pretty well: http://www.ted.com/talks/steven_pinker_c…

I just watched the TED talk you linked to. Professor Pinker seems to completely dismiss the idea that parenting has a significant effect on the child. I wonder whether this study with rats has changed his mind - here's the relevant quote: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5722596

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Why is "solving the problem" of "trying to contribute to a conversation and not making a fool of myself" something that doesn't makes you happy?

Because there's no cerebral solution to that problem short of going out there and making yourself look like an idiot until you don't looks like an idiot anymore.

Now, I find myself to be a pretty darn introverted mofo internally (I line up perfectly as a full-out INTP on the Myers-Briggs scale if that means anything to anybody), but I've found that socializing is just as useful of a skill as programming or playing a musical instrument. Sure, I find it to be significantly more tiring than either of those two activities, and I'm not nearly as proficient at it as I'd like to be, but it is a skill -- not some distant genetic trait that you might be hopeless to turn on -- therefore, it can be at least somewhat learned. The issue then is just about wanting to learn it.

I'm not about to be condescending about it and suggest something along the lines of "if you really cared/wanted it bad enough... blah blah blah", because I find statements like that to be annoying and unhelpful. I merely wish to bring awareness. Learning is a skill, and equivalently but more to the point: learning how to learn any specific skill, is a skill. It is OK to be inexperienced in this area, we all start off this way; it is merely being aware of this situation that seems to set mindsets apart. This inability to learn a skill that involves "looking like an idiot" as part of the learning process, signals inexperience with learning skills that require noticeable/major discomfort to acquire. And again, that is OK -- it makes total sense. The thing to realize is, that is all it is: discomfort. It's not really 'dangerous' regardless of how much it feels that way, it's just as benign (and possibly as annoying to some people) as developing callusus on your fingers to play guitar. It's a bit of a painful process, and you really can't get into the 'flow' of playing for extended periods of time until you develop them, which requires building up the calluses in baby steps; because otherwise you'd just be cutting up and burning your fingers up trying to go any longer. So if it helps at all, just look at it as building up 'social calluses'. It'll hurt, yeah, I acknowledge that. But hey, that's what's involved if you wan't to learn how to play. I mean, You might prefer to learn other instruments like piano because they doesn't involve this painful step, and you might get pretty darn good at pickup up those other instruments, but at the end of the day, you still wouldn't have learned how to play the guitar.

As for the depression, I've been completely and deeply suicidal many a time in my short life (used to be an annual tradition practically), and I really can't give you a quick answer for it unfortunately. The best thing I found is to just keep busy, but you seem to have discovered that strategy on your own already, so kudos! I know it took me a while... I believe there are many reliable findings about meditation reducing depression+anxiety (possibly as a result of its regenerative abilities with regards to 'willpower'), but meditation is really just an intense exercise in attention. And attention I believe, has also been found to invoke a state of anxiolytic relaxation. Therefore, keeping busy makes sense as an anti-depressive mechanism. I wish I could produce some sources on this, but I'm already procrastinating quite badly on a paper I need to have done in about an hour, I just felt I needed to leave a response here before I forgot. Hopefully I was able to help.

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Read The Game. I've met Neil Strauss in real life and he's 5'6" on a good day. His fiance is beautiful, smart and taller (plus, she likes to wear heels).

Or, don't. People certainly do succeed based on PUA techniques. But they're confusing the causes of their newfound success. This will get you 80% of the way there: 1) Volume, volume, volume. 2) Look to have fun, not for your soul mate. If something's not happening, BFD. And this will get you to 150% of the way there: 3) Do interesting things, have interesting stories to tell, and meet interesting people.

and the 80/20 rule applies to your advice too, it's mainly just the volume.

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post #64

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Why is "solving the problem" of "trying to contribute to a conversation and not making a fool of myself" something that doesn't makes you happy?

Because there's no cerebral solution to that problem short of going out there and making yourself look like an idiot until you don't looks like an idiot anymore.

I think the first step is to stop caring about looking like an idiot. The trick is to be confident that you're not actually an idiot. Then you can look like one, and people can laugh at you, and you can laugh right along with them because you do look rather dumb, but you never think for a moment that you actually are an idiot. Tell yourself enough that you don't care what others think about you, and that what really matters is what you think about you, and you'll start to believe it and actually have that kind of confidence. If you don't have it, fake it until you have it ;)

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Ack. Reliable or not, I'm sure it was meant as a feel-good piece, but for people like me the quote:- "Vaillant’s key takeaway, in his own words: “The seventy-five years and twenty million dollars expended on the Grant Study points … to a straightforward five-word conclusion: ‘Happiness is love. Full stop.’" Is actually very depressing. I am 5'5" so have this (if you've not encountered it you are unlikely to be aware)…

Maybe try another country where people are shorter and men from the US are more attractive to the local women. I'm an average height average looking fellow from Canada. But living in Latin America I strut around like a Norse god. I'm dating a model right now - I never thought I'd say that.
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