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Re: Ask HN: I'm lost. Please help

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Is this anonymous copy-and-paste medium how people start to deal with their problems now? What happened to just talking to people or making tough decisions? I've seen more of these posts in the last year than I have in my entire time on HN. I'm sorry you are having a tough time but you need to either 1) have a hard talk with your co-founders about your business model. present facts. make your case. they will listen.…

> Is this anonymous copy-and-paste medium how people start to deal with their problems now?

Yeah, isn't it awesome? There are sure worse ways to deal with difficult personal questions.

How did we do it before the internet and crowdsourcing? Oh yeah, there was a column in the newspaper called "Dear Abby". For the entire American syndication, she handled about two questions a day.

> What happened to just talking to people or making tough decisions?

I think he has been 'talking to people' because they've written him some checks.

Re: Ask HN: I'm lost. Please help

#53

This situation is actually very simple, don't let it feel overcomplicated: Tell them you need an actual salary and actual health insurance in the next 30 days. If the venture can pay you to keep at it, that's great. Otherwise you'll have to start looking around for a real job in a couple of weeks. Even the most brick-and-mortar type of businessperson will completely understand this. Stick to your schedule. It will ei…

Great way to think about this. These kinds of problems can feel SO huge... until that first pay cheque hits. Then life becomes simple again

Source: been there, lots

Re: Ask HN: I'm lost. Please help

#56
I feel for you. I've been on the "idiot" side before but I understand where you're coming from. A couple things I'd have you do:

- Don't take advice from people who know very little and have no context.

- Clarify your ownership position in the company. "Can you explain my equity thing to me again?" Know what you own now. Know what you're entitled to in the future. If you already know this information, you can skip this step.

- Think of a person you completely trust and whose intellect you fully respect. Let's call them X. Sit down on your own and write X a letter that outlines the whole situation.

Address at least the following:

a) What you want out of the deal b) What you think it'll take to make the deal successful c) Conditions under which you're willing to keep at it d) Whether or not you want to keep going forward with this thing e) All the other important things that you know.

Make it a good letter. Spend real time on this letter. Something around 1,000 words or more.

Don't send letter. Save letter. Go to sleep.

- Next day (after you've slept and eaten), revise your letter. Really go through it and make it say what you want it to say. Take out that part that's irrelevant. Add the section about the thing you forgot.

Don't send letter. Save letter. Go to sleep.

- Next day, read letter. Revise it again if you need to.

Twist: The letter isn't for X. It's for you.

- At this point, you've built a clear inventory of what you own in the business and what you think needs to happen in order for it to work and for you to stay.

My guess is that you'll then know what you need to do. That might mean sit down and talk with the idiots. It might mean that you need to leave asap. It might mean an N day ultimatum. It might mean something else.

But whatever it means, it will have come from you.

Also, read this. I have it on the mirror in my bathroom.

http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~gongsu/desiderata_textonly.html

You are going to live through this experience. You will benefit from the lessons you've learned in this experience. This, too, shall pass.

Good luck, fellow traveler.

Re: Ask HN: I'm lost. Please help

#57
> but I feel as though I've invested too much time and energy to bail now.

Sunken cost principle. Basic psychology is keeping you in a place you shouldn't be. Every day you'll have invested more,and it will only exacerbrate the issue. You said you don't like your cofounders. That should be a huge red flag right there.

If you can't carry on without them, you should find yourself a nice job and start plotting your next (successful) startup while you save.

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#58

Everyone else has thoroughly covered the sunk costs and salary perspectives. One thing I noticed in your post that I would strongly caution against: reading too much into VC rejection. I think you're placing too much faith into the VC's arguments and are being a little too sensitive to rejection. VC's are routinely wrong or misguided, and the vast majority of VCs do not deliver returns beyond that of the broader stoc…

Our first VC meetings were practice runs and a source of free high-value consulting. The very first one couldn't understand our product, so we knew we needed to edit. The second was excited but said we were in a great position to bootstrap. The third agreed and had some great suggestions that we took to heart.

We didn't need money at the time so it was not the same as your situation, but VC will often just not click with a company. It is actually a lot like dating in that they are trying to read the people and what they're saying and projecting it out over the course of the relationship.

They all came back, unsolicited, in 9 to 16 months, but by then we had reached a point where we were cash-flow positive and working with pilot customers to refine the product for launch.

VC will rarely say no directly because things can change at any time.

NB: This is Silly Valley, where VC are thick on the ground.

Re: Ask HN: I'm lost. Please help

#59
After 15 months, you should be able to evaluate where you are. Have you launched yet? If the answer is no, then you've likely let the project spiral out of control. After 15 months, if you don't have what you consider an MVP, then you need to stop, and take a hard look at what is really needed and not. I don't know what you're developing, but it's probably time to strip out any half-developed features, and release what is left as a product.

If you have launched, then you need to have a talk with your other founders. Not about raising money (because that may never come).. but about the financial goals of the company; revenue growth rate; profit; etc, etc, etc. At what point are you going to meet those targets? At what point will there be money for a paycheck?

If the only financial goals you guys have is to raise cash for a project that will never pull in a dime, then forget it.. it's not a business.. it's a toy. Businesses exist to make money. You should have a solid plan for how you're going to do that from the very beginning.

Re: Ask HN: I'm lost. Please help

#60
Move on. Move on. Move on. Move on.

Move. On!

Your founders aren't necessarily idiots. Sometimes businesses fail due to a myriad of other issues, including market timing, product-market-fit and more.

This one failed. That's OK.

Time to move to greener pastures. No, you are not abandoning anyone. This business is dead. Unless a pile of cash shows-up and a major pivot happens it is likely not to survive. I've seen businesses implode even after getting piles of cash thrown at them. Money doesn't magically fix it.

Go find something that appeals to you and make some money.

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