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Figures: They Speak For Themselves (mildly NSFW)

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Re: Figures: They Speak For Themselves (mildly NSFW)

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Post by jessedhillon »

falcolas wrote: post #68
BrandonM wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I work at a fairly liberal software company in SoCal, and if I scrolled down to the bottom-most picture with the hand-drawn fully-naked chick and someone happened to glance at my screen, I would most likely be fired. If that would be grounds for firing, even after describing the context of the article, then you decidedly do not work at a fairly liberal software company.

Something similar - a hand drawn picture of a woman in a fantasy equivalent of a bikini (lots of skin, no nipples, no groin) - has actually gotten me fired from a very large internet company, so... It's basically considered a fireable offense under the sexual harassment policy.

I doubt that such a firing is defensible as a sexual harassment claim. If you are creating a hostile work environment, someone first has to complain about it and you have to be given a warning and instructions on how to remedy the situation.

However, of course, you can always be fired for demonstrating questionable judgement.

Re: Figures: They Speak For Themselves (mildly NSFW)

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Post by covingkj »

angersock wrote: post #37
SomeCallMeTim wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, confused. "Current" Kickstarter? Is there more than one? Because the one that he finished seemed to fund quite well. Skeptical that it will be late? Well, given the normal DC schedule, that wouldn't surprise me a lot. But I don't fund projects on Kickstarter expecting a particular delivery date like it's a store. So if it arrives in November I'll still be happy.

It's funded, to the tune of a half million--I'm curious if he'll actually be able to deliver. I hope so.

Dresden Codak has been a fully sustainable job for Aaron Diaz for years now - this is his profession. He has also participated in at least one collaborative Kickstarter that has already delivered. Given that the professionals that have been doing the Kickstarter thing this year have largely done very well, and he already has a track record of delivering, why are you so skeptical?

Re: Figures: They Speak For Themselves (mildly NSFW)

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Post by falcolas »

jessedhillon wrote: post #71
falcolas wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something similar - a hand drawn picture of a woman in a fantasy equivalent of a bikini (lots of skin, no nipples, no groin) - has actually gotten me fired from a very large internet company, so... It's basically considered a fireable offense under the sexual harassment policy.

I doubt that such a firing is defensible as a sexual harassment claim. If you are creating a hostile work environment, someone first has to complain about it and you have to be given a warning and instructions on how to remedy the situation. However, of course, you can always be fired for demonstrating questionable judgement.

All that it takes is one person to complain that they were offended, irregardless of the work environment, and a company with "zero tolerancy" towards sexual harassment will toss you out on your ass.

Frankly, it would have been easy to remedy - I was browsing a game forum with image signatures, which is where this image appeared.

Of course, at the time, the HR person didn't like me (I mistook her for my bosses personal assistant when I was hired), so that didn't help. Learned a lot of lessons from that situation - the biggest being "make the HR employees like you".

Re: Figures: They Speak For Themselves (mildly NSFW)

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Post by sp332 »

angersock wrote: post #37
SomeCallMeTim wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, confused. "Current" Kickstarter? Is there more than one? Because the one that he finished seemed to fund quite well. Skeptical that it will be late? Well, given the normal DC schedule, that wouldn't surprise me a lot. But I don't fund projects on Kickstarter expecting a particular delivery date like it's a store. So if it arrives in November I'll still be happy.

It's funded, to the tune of a half million--I'm curious if he'll actually be able to deliver. I hope so.

Latest update from yesterday: Hey guys! We sent The Tomorrow Girl to the printers over a week ago and will be getting the proofs shortly. It's really happening! Everything's on schedule and going lovely. I'll share any tantalizing media as I get it. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/156287353/the-tomorrow-g...

Re: Figures: They Speak For Themselves (mildly NSFW)

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Post by solistice »

yason wrote: post #49
kevingadd wrote: post #2

Not exactly 'mildly' by any united states standard... interesting post though.

Conversely, I was wondering what was it that was NSFW at all in the pictures? In a culture where all nakedness is banned and considered an absolute filter might be the explanation. But this is hardly the case even in the USA that is infamous for how inconsistently and arbitrarily such things are labelled as "ok" and "no-no".

First sentence of your comment was ok, rest was no-no.

First sentence of your comment was no-no, rest was ok.

Re: Figures: They Speak For Themselves (mildly NSFW)

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Post by anateus »

lifeformed wrote: post #65
teamonkey wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's all about the distinctive silhouettes of the character classes and how they move. Even with clothes you can quickly recognise a heavy, a pyro, a medic at a distance.

It's a lot harder though. The larger hats breaks up the silhouette quite a bit. At least you can still identify based on posture, which is done pretty well.

The Israeli military uses these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitznefet_(Israeli_military)

They're big floppy hats that go on top of the helmet to prevent the classic helmet silhouette look.

Works better because human bodies aren't quite as distinctive as TF2 classes :)

Re: Figures: They Speak For Themselves (mildly NSFW)

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Post by egypturnash »

throwaway1980 wrote: post #5

Strange, I've never heard the term "figure drawing" used in the context of comics or animation. Maybe it's common within the field, but the artists I know generally associate it with drawing human models. Wikipedia doesn't mention it either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_drawing Interesting post though. I liked seeing the Cowboy Bebop characters again, and the point about the need for the body to be identifiab…

Ex-animator, now doing comics, here.

My experience has always been that "figure drawing" refers to sitting down in front of a live model, probably a naked one, and drawing them. You'll see people referring to drawing from pictures of naked people as figure drawing as well.

Diaz only uses the term once, at the beginning of this article:

"Figure drawing is a pivotal tool to any artist, but being able to effectively render humans and creatures is only part of the equation. Even if your draftsmanship is solid, you won’t get far if your designs are uninteresting."

By this, I think he is saying "it is very very important to be able to draw models from life and to know a ton of anatomy - but that's not what I'm here to talk about. I'm here to talk about character design." Which he then proceeds to do for the remainder of the article. (And I will strongly agree that a good foundation in life drawing will serve any cartoonist well, no matter how stylized their work is!)

In my experience, the most common usage of the term "figure drawing" in the fields of comics and animation is "man I'm getting rusty, I really should get some figure drawing in again but I am so BUSY."

Re: Figures: They Speak For Themselves (mildly NSFW)

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Post by throwaway1980 »

RBerenguel wrote: post #38
throwaway1980 wrote: post #5

Strange, I've never heard the term "figure drawing" used in the context of comics or animation. Maybe it's common within the field, but the artists I know generally associate it with drawing human models. Wikipedia doesn't mention it either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_drawing Interesting post though. I liked seeing the Cowboy Bebop characters again, and the point about the need for the body to be identifiab…

There's a book by Walt Stanchfield (former head of animation at Disney) named "Figure drawing for animation" Although the name may have changed, it used to be a photocopied book passing from hand to hand, but I read it was about to be properly published. Edit: memory failure (just woke up, I guess it counts as an excuse) The book is /Gesture/ drawing for animation, not figure drawing. I mentally mixed the article con…

Sounds neat, thanks!

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Post by marshray »

falcolas wrote: post #73
jessedhillon wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt that such a firing is defensible as a sexual harassment claim. If you are creating a hostile work environment, someone first has to complain about it and you have to be given a warning and instructions on how to remedy the situation. However, of course, you can always be fired for demonstrating questionable judgement.

All that it takes is one person to complain that they were offended, irregardless of the work environment, and a company with "zero tolerancy" towards sexual harassment will toss you out on your ass. Frankly, it would have been easy to remedy - I was browsing a game forum with image signatures, which is where this image appeared. Of course, at the time, the HR person didn't like me (I mistook her for my bosses person…

So it took more than "one person to complain" - it took that and the HR person not liking you.
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