What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support? • Hacker News Board

Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

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Post by lloeki » Thu, May 16, 2013, 3:53 PM UTC

siamore wrote: post #136

mtgx wrote: post #127

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Microsoft actually did not want to open the .doc format. I believe they were forced to do it.

Who forced them? I can't find it on wikipedia, in a google search or microsoft's site all I found was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Open_Specification_Pr... I even checked the references, the MS page adds nothing to wikipedia's info in this matter http://www.microsoft.com/openspecifications/en/us/programs/o...

The EU pressured Microsoft into documenting various parts relevant for interoperability. One of them is the whole stack revolving around AD, which resulted in Samba 4. I don't know if this includes Office formats.

Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

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Post by pi18n » Thu, May 16, 2013, 3:54 PM UTC

iamshs wrote: post #109

capo wrote: post #89

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http://readwrite.com/2013/05/09/microsoft-youtube-app-rule-b... They built an unauthorized app and now they are complaining that the app is unauthorized.

I am happy that the customers are getting access to the most widely used video site. I will let the companies dunk it out as to what is unauthorized or what is not. MS responded to it already, and said they are will be happy to work towards betterment of mutual customers on a day where Larry page loathed negativity among companies. Or something to that effect.

They're abusing the patent system to extort money from Android device manufacturers and they have to gall to completely ignore requirements in a ToS.

I'm looking forward to the day when Microsoft is completely irrelevant. They should just shut down everything except for the research and Xbox departments now.

Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

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Post by Samuel_Michon » Thu, May 16, 2013, 3:57 PM UTC

metaphorm wrote: post #155

popee wrote: post #135

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Google's wet dream is Linux kernel under BSD license.

thats a silly thing to say. BSD licensed Unix already exists. if they wanted to build a proprietary OS on top of it (as Apple did) they would have. the fact that they already decided not to is the entire point here. Google chose GPL Licensed Linux over BSD Licensed Unix. From a technical perspective there's not a whole lot of difference. The license is the more important difference and we already know which they chos…

> as Apple did

Apple didn’t build a proprietary OS on top of BSD licensed UNIX. They used the core of NEXTSTEP, which in turn used parts of several different BSD distros (though not its kernel or driver system).

Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

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Post by pi18n » Thu, May 16, 2013, 3:57 PM UTC

cooldeal wrote: post #158

bjustin wrote: post #134

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Microsoft is flagrantly violating YouTube's terms of service. Saying they would serve ads if YouTube had an API for it is like me using your obviously not public WiFi and saying I would pay for it if you let me.

Comparison fail. What Google's been saying from 3 years while dragging it's feet is that Windows Phone does not have enough users to make an app for, but now their claim is that so many people are using the Microsoft Youtube App for Windows Phone that it's hurting the content creators. Huh? Why can't they monetize them by making an app and show twice as many ads in it just to spite WP users? No, they won't. They want…

1. Google is not obliged to create an app for any platform. Regardless of user count. WTF.

2. Microsoft is obliged to follow the ToS on websites they are pulling data from. Regardless of user count.

I'd love to see Google forced to admit what they are doing also, though.

Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

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Post by Dylan16807 » Thu, May 16, 2013, 3:58 PM UTC

capo wrote: post #89

iamshs wrote: post #78

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Except, Microsoft did not strip ads from the videos. They said yesterday that they will be happy to serve ads if Google lets them access. And please, let the legal departments decide if it is a clear violation or not. Do not take a decision on your own. I think you are the one who is astro-turfing here, if i apply the finger pointing criteria to you too. It is better if you reply to the argument leaving your personal…

http://readwrite.com/2013/05/09/microsoft-youtube-app-rule-b... They built an unauthorized app and now they are complaining that the app is unauthorized.

HTTP baby!

Trying to enforce a client side rule of 'no downloading' when every web browser in the world can download should be disregarded and mocked heartily.

Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

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Post by Aloha » Thu, May 16, 2013, 3:59 PM UTC

I'm not seeing in the link about them dropping XMPP support, not in the source link the author links to. I see them not building XMPP support into hangouts, but its not the same thing, hangouts are not an IM thing, they are a web conferencing thing.

Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

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Post by Zikes » Thu, May 16, 2013, 4:01 PM UTC

Semaphor wrote: post #105

Okay, I'm slightly confused.Can someone please confirm if the following still works: I'm logged into G+ I'm logged into GTalk with a Jabber client. Someone messages me using the google web interface. I get the message in my Jabber client.

In my experience, you get the message in both the Jabber client and Hangout.

Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

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Post by Dylan16807 » Thu, May 16, 2013, 4:01 PM UTC

ajross wrote: post #157

claudius wrote: post #2

Everybody knows that SMTP is old, inefficient (hey, it’s nearly plain-text!), insecure, diversified (so many different servers to choose from!) and generally just bad. Clearly a closed web interface that only runs in Chrome would be much better for everyone! Then people could always be sure with whom they communicate, nobody could hack or social-engineer their way into other accounts, and everyone would have to follo…

Arrgh. Title is total link bait. There is no news about SMTP here . The linked blog post is whining about XMPP, which is not being disabled . Apparently the author is a user of "XMPP Federation" (the ability to link XMPP servers together a-la IRC), which is also not being disabled . But apparently it might be someday, as the new Hangouts stuff won't support it. So how did we get form "can't talk to your Hangout via a…

1. Looking at the other threads I can't quite get a straight answer on XMPP, but it seems to be entirely disabled for the "new communications product called Hangouts" (new??), but this is not just about federation.

2. claudius is very clearly explaining why google SHOULD disable SMTP. Nobody has seriously suggested they would; you might need to recalibrate your satire detector. Also claudius gave several reasons that apply equally to XMPP and SMTP to be extra helpful. :)

Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

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Post by jessaustin » Thu, May 16, 2013, 4:01 PM UTC

MostAwesomeDude wrote: post #100

cooldeal wrote: post #63

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The company with half the top Phds and best engineers in the world and billions in profit every quarter is unable to create an open extension to XMPP to accomplish those and fallback gracefully if it's not supported? You really believe that? You could assemble a team of 30 random HN posters and they would be able to do that. So, I think they could do it, if and only if they wanted to. But they didn't and they themsel…

I think that you should assemble your team of thirty random people on HN and get them to do that thing that you want them to do. Good luck!

The hypothesized "video chat" protocol extension to XMPP already exists and it's called Jingle. FOSS client support isn't great, but it is progressing. So if this service isn't open to FOSS clients, that's more an issue of strategy than resources. (And indeed, the decision might change in future and be attributed to improved FOSS client performance.) If the service is indeed closed, however, they probably ought to update this page:

https://developers.google.com/talk/open_communications

Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

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Post by DanI-S » Thu, May 16, 2013, 4:04 PM UTC

Just because something is Open doesn't mean it is worth supporting when most people don't care about or use it anymore.